tester

I see all this talk about turbos..
Anyone heard of, or is doing something about a supercharger.

Personally I just want some cheap, easy power. I think that if I went turbo, would have to beef up my clutch/etc. That is too much for me. I just want 30 more HP...
SUpercharger would also let me change to a new header right away, and not have to change it out again like a turbo.

Hopefully someone puts out a kit..

Traveler

Thomas Knight Turbos has a kit that he says will 'just about fit a protege' but it isn't a direct bolt on. He has an Eaton supercharger and the drive pulleys and intake manifold, but he doesn't offer any kind of fuel management. He says he'll sell a kit with an FMU and an extra injector but it's something you'll have to troubleshoot. Plus, he's got a rather bad rep for shoddy welding, not giving you all the parts you need and not always knowing what he's talking about. Jackson racing has the eaton that will work well on our cars also. They just don't have any kind of kit. You'd have to fabricate your own drive pulley and intake manifold. Still, it would be cheaper than a kit.

chdesign

If you want cheap easy power by a mustang. If you want a challenge buy a protege.

tester

The problem I see with our proteges is that people all want a high boost turbo, or a huge supercharger kit to come out. It will be great for the 10 or 20 enthusiasts here that will buy them, but it will be horrible for the companies that put the $$ in research and sell just a few.

I cant understand why someone does not look at a LOW boost, or a small cheap supercharger that everyday enthusiasts can install themselves and buy for cheap. Sell 20 $4000 systems, or 500 $2000 systems. I now know why there are so few aftermarket systems.

Personally a simple bolt-on supercharger/turbo is all I want. If I get 25 more HP, I would be happy. I know lots here disagree, but then again, that is another one of our problems.

tester

I dont agree. I talk to people at work doing mods for their cars, and nitrous is not an option for most. Nobody wants to keep recharging it. Everyone I talk to is not all that hyped about high boost, huge HP gains, they just want more zoom. Supercharger is just a way to get it (just like N/A). Does not matter which way is better, they just want a cheap bolt-on which gives immediate results.
And no company is taking advantage of this (except a car maker!, nissan which sells a supercharger to fit their truck or suv).
Oh well, guess everyone wants to sell just a few to some enthusiasts..

azrakain

Toyota (TRD) has a kit for their cars/trucks. They are working on the Matrix kit. My friend has a supercharged 4-Runner and that thing hauls ***.

obender66

Aren't supercharger kits more expensive than turbo?
See what dyno numbers will be available from Proteges with full set of bolt on parts, it's pretty much unknown territory yet.
There's no such thing as "cheap horsepower", except maybe sticking ugly air duct hose in your airbox-for extra 0.5 hp.
Alex

RODSCALIP5

The Matrix already has a turbo by XS engineering!!!!!

njaremka

that's because it shares engines with the celica

obender66

Sooooo what? Protege has turbo by Tri-Point Engineering.
Alex

Eric F

I hear you Tester. I agree completely. I would prefer a low to moderate boost supercharger myself. It would give a nice increase in power for a primarily street driven vehicle, whitout hurting reliability much. I'm not interested in a track car. The supercharger seems a good fit due to simplicity of operation, ease of installation, and emissions legality for most. It would also be cheaper overall than pistons, cams, etc. due to installation costs. I doubt most of us are going to install new pistons ourselves, but I could certainly handle a supercharger install. The problem with cost is it doesn't take much more money to produce a high boost application compared to a lower boost one. Once a company puts the R&D into studying the application, creating a custom manifold, picking the appriopriate compressor, etc, making more boost is usually simple. So there is no cost savings with a lower boost application. That being the case, most people feel like they're getting more for their money with higher boost.

99proES

i talke to a guy about port and polish. he said for around $900 he could port polish (with some type of swirls in the porting prosess) deck. He said it would give you bout an extra 30 hp. one time thing, cheaper.

azrakain

I was thinking that a port and polish would give 10hp MAX on a basically stock motor. With other mods (like Jesse said: cams especially) this could be a good mod. I think that the intake manifold its self may need some more looking into, unless I completely missed threads about it.

99proES

Bottom end? what do you mean?

And if i got cams and bottom end done then the port and polish would add thirty or it would add thirty all together?

lupus

forget a supercharger i wouldn't get something that takes hp just to run and hit full boost at redline.