Daniel Soucek

are the rear speakers for the first gen 6 1/2's and the front 5 1/2's? am i right because i put 6 1/2's in the back and they were still too small, so i was thinking that 6 3/4's would fit better because i had to jerry rig the rear to stop from rattling. same goes for the front speakers except that i had to customize my own adapter and that was for the 5 1/2's that said in the manual would fit. i heard alpine fits really well. please help me out, i can't stand the rattling.

Identity_X

If you go to Crutchfield or Best Buy they'll tell you that the speaker sizes (both front and back) are 5.25" That's what I had for about a year. They fit fine but were way too small (especially for good bass). Right now, I am running 6.5" in the front.......fit fine but had to drill new holes as far as I can remember. For the back I installed 6X9 speakers. That requires a lot of cutting of sheet metal and is a pain in the ***. If I have to go back, I wouldn't go through all the trouble. How were the 6.5" in the back too small ?? They sounded shitty or they were physically too small?

Daniel Soucek

the rear speakers were literally too small, they are power acoustic 6.5's and the front are sony's and they were also to small. does it make a difference in the years since mine is a 94. i now the only changes that was made was to the front end of the car, yet the speakers will not fit right on there own. has anybody with a 94 had a perfect fit with there speakers???

jporky99

i've got 6.5" kenwood 1668s in the front doors, and 6.5" pioneers in the rear.

both installations were pains in the *** because the frame mounting setup for the oem speakers are not standard so none of the holes line up at all. Add to that, the holes for the oem speakers are too far outward from the center of the mounting area by about .5"

My solution was to buy 1 pair of mounting brackets for both pairs of speakers from crutchfield.com

I decided this because those pioneers are too flashy and i didnt want to use the grilles that game with them and everyone would see what nice 6.5"s i've got. (you know, the yellow ones with the grille that lookes like a 6 spoke wheel?)

So the speakers are in now but i do get alot of rattle if i turn up the volume because it just doesnt fit perfectly unless you cut the screws that come with the brackets/speakers (which i didnt do 'cause im a lazy bastard).

Also, the kenwoods in front were the only ones that crutchfield said would fit in the door panels and boy were they right. they BARELY fit. i could hardly get the fricken door panel to snap back in place.

but back to the original question... yes the front and rear oem speakers are both 5.25"... the mounting areas for them are just made to be able to handle 6.5" speakers. And there is no way to circumvent the rattling to my knowledge unless you find a better way than i did to mount them into the car. 'cause mounting them into the top carpet would produce alot of vibrations also.

Identity_X

Just drill new holes. That's what I did. I put some sound deadening material I had left over between the door and the actual speaker. Tighten it well and there's been no rattling so far. Are you sure that the speakers are rattling and not the door panels ?

jporky99

the rattling is coming from the rear speaker mounts. i'm not getting any rattling from the front speakers.

as for drilling, you mean drill into the metal/steel/whateveritis frame? or drill into the top carpet?

cause i can't drill into the carpet otherwise my speakers would be in full view of the rest of the world (which i dont want).

oh, and where do you get that sound deadening material?

Identity_X

Well, I've never installed 6.5" in the back but I meant cutting through the sheet metal. That's what I did for the front. I got 6X9's in the back so I did more than just drill. I had to cut a lot of sheet metal so those speakers could fit. Wasn't pretty. As for sound deadeining, I got my stuff from http://www.b-quiet.com/ If you want any more info on that, check out this thread:
http://www.protegeclub.com/forum/sho...threadid=22329

Hope this helps.

demoninvictus

ok, well this will technically be a double post, however, just remove the back dash piece entirely. put your back seats down and across the front of that dash piece you'll see four plastic fasteners holding the dash in. slide one finger under the dash backing on either side of the fasteners and apply pressure gradually and the fasteners will come out without breaking. pop the center of the fasteners of the third brake light cover, pull that off. then, disconnect the two bolts holding the top plastic portion of the brake light connected to the metal brace. the dash has three clips in the back and should come out with a slight tug. pull out your entire dash backing, pull out your speakers and clean down the back of your dash. put dynamat extreme or original down on all holes of your dash, even the speaker holes. from the bottom, of the dash, take a utility knife and make cuts in the dynamat and fold the pieces under. now for speakers, depending on basket i'd imagine, all 6 1/2's are a snug fit, 6 3/4's should work fine as well, 5 1/4's aren't ideal in my opinion in the pairs of pioneers and kewoods that i've placed back there, they don't fit right on the sheet metal, don't make a good seal. after dynamatting one layer on there, put some 1/4 inch weather stripping on the outside ring on the back side of your speaker to ensure a good seal. then, just take a speaker and center it in one of the holes, drill the holes for your screws, and fasten those suckers down. connect the wires to the speaker leads and place your back dash piece back on, securing everything in reverse order, securing the back metal clips first, then the front fasteners and then the third brake light. that will give you a nice factory look, better than factory sound, and all in all, shouldn't take more than an hour and a half. good start for a how-to? anyhow, this is universal, works on all first generation protege's. as far as 6x9's is concerned, how did you cut the sheet metal Identity? was it a botch job like Gro Harlem was explaining to me where you basiscally take anything that cuts metal and wail at it till a 6x9 speaker will fit back there? hope this helps some of you guys out.
peace

ps. this will eliminate any and every rattle you have with the exception of third brake lights and your rear vents, but both can be solved by weather stripping under the third brake light and taping off the back of the dash backing to hold the plastic vents in place.

Identity_X

Anything that cuts metal will do the job.
The problem is that there is so little room for work. If you try to do the job from the top, the damn window is in the way and it makes precise cutting almost impossible. From the bottom it is even worse as you have to lay down in the trunk and all the crap keeps falling in your eyes. Getting metal flakes in your eyes is definately not something I'd recommend. I have contacts, so I always try to convince myslef that they are better than safety googles......guess not.
It can be done, but takes a lot of time and effort. I'll snap a few pics and post them so you can see the final results.

jporky99

well thanks for the added info guys. actually, i thought my car was a pain to install but in reality i guess it's not.

My g/f asked me to install new speakers in her 96 prizm and omg.... omg omg omg....

well anyway i got the seats pulled off (they dont split down) and the back console lifted, then the old speakers removed only to find out the new ones dont fit! yea yea the oem ones are 6.5" and so are the new ones, but these are infinity 3 way speakers so the cone doesnt taper off like the oem speaker does.

at this current point in time i am evaluating my options because i dont really wanna do surgery on her car. i'll probably send back the speakers and buy one with a skinnier profile

demoninvictus

ok, i'm confused as to your last post, but you can trim out a little more room in the sheet metal to fit those speakers, but with the oem's out, there is infinate depth for a speaker to mount into there. it depends on the mounting ring on the speaker and the basket, but what do you mean they won't fit? does the ring of the speaker not sit in right? do the drill holes not line up? in what way does it not fit? most of these can be remedied, and i'd do anything to help you out to not see those infinity's not returned, they are great speakers, so cue me in a little better and i'll help you out.
peace

raspi

On Crutchfield's site it says that the front speakers are 5 1/4" and the back speakers are 6 1/2". Is this untrue? Some of you said that the 6 1/2"s fit in the front with no problem..

Identity_X

They will fit, but you *might* have to drill new holes. That's what I had to do, but it was definately worth it. The 5 1/4" I had before were just way too weak......hardly any bass.

raspi

Drill holes where? And how? Do you have any pictures or how to's? Sorry, I don't know **** about customizing cars, but I'm learning

J-Wo

[bump]! I'm currently having the same concerns re: installing 6 1/2" speakers in my front door panels of a 94 protege. I posted about it in a separate thread but got no replies so far. Hopefully I'll get some more feedback this time. Thanks!