wrecked my MP3 Thanks you F*cking mustang
May-18th-2002, 07:28 PM
#31
Super Ninja
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Originally posted by protetype
mazdaspeedracer, you definately do need to chill out. anyway, justin... if you have them hosted somewhere... just use the IMG button in the reply window, and paste the URL to the picture in the box. if you can't figure it out or don't have a hosting place ... just send them to protetype@msn.com and i'll post them up.
mazdaspeedracer, you definately do need to chill out. anyway, justin... if you have them hosted somewhere... just use the IMG button in the reply window, and paste the URL to the picture in the box. if you can't figure it out or don't have a hosting place ... just send them to protetype@msn.com and i'll post them up.
May-18th-2002, 07:33 PM
#32
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oh yeah.. i forgot to mention... msn sucks ***. christ... still havent got em yet. takes forever and a day.. you have aim? msg me on skanzlost if you do. if not.. i'll just wait till they get here... hopefully soon... stupid msn.
May-18th-2002, 08:21 PM
#33
The mp3 Girl
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Re: Quite True! And Other Car Observations
Originally posted by ProtegeMaster
Another note: The Camaro: There's probably a reason GM is cutting that car after this year, don't you guys think? Good riddance, in my opinion!
Another note: The Camaro: There's probably a reason GM is cutting that car after this year, don't you guys think? Good riddance, in my opinion!
Also, while mazdaspeedracer might have flown off the handle a little, he had a few damn good points in his first post to this thread. Domestics have their good and bad qualities. SO DO IMPORTS. Realize this and stop being so closed minded people. (Those of you that think imports are the only road worthy cars) I like mustangs, camaros, vettes, MAZDAS, VW'S, imports and domestics alike. You can take ANY car and with enough money make it faster than the next one.
Give props where props are due before Mazda owners are seen as "close-minded", "stuck up" and "ignorant" as most Honda, Stang, and Vette owners.
May-18th-2002, 08:31 PM
#35
The Stentor Man
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mp3 Angel is right, Domestic cars can have reliability issues,
but repair bills are much lower than import cars. A 2002 neon would be a good domestic car to buy because the current model has been out a few years and each year the car improves, the previous model. For resale value imports still demand a higher price.
but repair bills are much lower than import cars. A 2002 neon would be a good domestic car to buy because the current model has been out a few years and each year the car improves, the previous model. For resale value imports still demand a higher price.
May-18th-2002, 08:52 PM
#36
The Stentor Man
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Mark martin is a Nascar driver, Probably us Canadians arent as interested in Nascar, but at least I have heard of the major names, and do watch a race every so often. I can;t believe you can be into this Prtotege Site and not have an interest in every form of racing. I have loved cars ever since I have been on this earth, and I will watch anything race on wheels.
May-18th-2002, 09:11 PM
#37
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Re: Re: Quite True! And Other Car Observations
Originally posted by Mp3Angel
It's going to be coming back though, they're only cutting it for a couple of years while they work on redesigning it. There's no way that they could just "cut that car" and not see a HUGE loss. It's one of their most popular cars to date.
It's going to be coming back though, they're only cutting it for a couple of years while they work on redesigning it. There's no way that they could just "cut that car" and not see a HUGE loss. It's one of their most popular cars to date.
May-18th-2002, 09:22 PM
#38
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Anyway. I saw an awesome thing today that kind of goes with this. I started a thread in "Off-Topic".
http://www.protegeclub.com/forum/sho...?threadid=6590
http://www.protegeclub.com/forum/sho...?threadid=6590
May-19th-2002, 12:16 AM
#39
Demands Perfection
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I Agree!
Mp3angel had a fine point, and I agree completely: An atmosphere of respect is one best levied by us Mazda folks-- Otherwise we might just as well call ourselves Honda Civic drivers. I stand reminded!
Anyway, I stand firm on my personal opinion that reliability is the single most important characteristic in a car, and that domestic (U.S.) designed vehicles ARE NOT as reliable, overall, as the likes of (Japan designed and built) Mazda, Toyota, Honda, and Nissan. Of cars bought in the same price range, I'd put up, say, a Toyota against ANY U.S. manufacturer, any time, anywhere, and come out the winner (likely by far) in terms of having fewer problems. GM, Ford, and Chrysler [sic] can kiss my, well, you know... Comparatively few of their cars cut it, and, in my opinion, they can **** off!
And lastly, claims of influencing survey respondants and levying biased reports on the part of Consumers Union is absurd, and totally baseless. There is no other organization, anywhere, that strives harder to remain impartial, accepting money from no business source whatsoever. The likes of "Car and Driver", etc., while fun to read, will NEVER approach the level of impartiality compared to Consumer Reports. When "Car and Driver" rates a car, be sure to take note of the auto manufacturer that advertises in that same magazine, and then tell me how biased and influenced CU is. The sole purpose of Consumers Union, as a non profit organization, is to protect the rights of U.S. and Canadian citizens to have access to safe, reliable, efficient products, be them autos, appliances, food, etc.. Nearly every commom product we use in society is put under intense scutiny for the sole purpose of standing up for US, NOT the product manufacturer, who, by definition, is out to make a buck on the deal, not look out for us.
If the common conspiracy theory regarding CU being biased against U.S. autos held true, they would rate ALL U.S. cars as lousy. That's not the case, and neither do they rate all Japanese cars well. In fact, the Ford Focus was rated the best small car, by a considerable margin, but they can't recommend it because the reliability blows in that car. And the Chevy Impala, by the way, is a recommended car, with better than average reliability. The Chrysler PT Cruiser (designed before it became a German company)? Best possible reliability. The Ford Ranger and Mazda B-Series trucks are rated identically. The Mazda Tribute and Ford Escape are rated nearly identically: The same in reliability (worst), with varying degrees of ratings in other areas, because they DO vary in the seating installed, a few control placements, etc.. So even cars built on the same platform can, and commonly do, differ. Arguments against CR in that regard don't hold up.
Consumer Reports is the best auto information source, anywhere.
Anyway, I stand firm on my personal opinion that reliability is the single most important characteristic in a car, and that domestic (U.S.) designed vehicles ARE NOT as reliable, overall, as the likes of (Japan designed and built) Mazda, Toyota, Honda, and Nissan. Of cars bought in the same price range, I'd put up, say, a Toyota against ANY U.S. manufacturer, any time, anywhere, and come out the winner (likely by far) in terms of having fewer problems. GM, Ford, and Chrysler [sic] can kiss my, well, you know... Comparatively few of their cars cut it, and, in my opinion, they can **** off!
And lastly, claims of influencing survey respondants and levying biased reports on the part of Consumers Union is absurd, and totally baseless. There is no other organization, anywhere, that strives harder to remain impartial, accepting money from no business source whatsoever. The likes of "Car and Driver", etc., while fun to read, will NEVER approach the level of impartiality compared to Consumer Reports. When "Car and Driver" rates a car, be sure to take note of the auto manufacturer that advertises in that same magazine, and then tell me how biased and influenced CU is. The sole purpose of Consumers Union, as a non profit organization, is to protect the rights of U.S. and Canadian citizens to have access to safe, reliable, efficient products, be them autos, appliances, food, etc.. Nearly every commom product we use in society is put under intense scutiny for the sole purpose of standing up for US, NOT the product manufacturer, who, by definition, is out to make a buck on the deal, not look out for us.
If the common conspiracy theory regarding CU being biased against U.S. autos held true, they would rate ALL U.S. cars as lousy. That's not the case, and neither do they rate all Japanese cars well. In fact, the Ford Focus was rated the best small car, by a considerable margin, but they can't recommend it because the reliability blows in that car. And the Chevy Impala, by the way, is a recommended car, with better than average reliability. The Chrysler PT Cruiser (designed before it became a German company)? Best possible reliability. The Ford Ranger and Mazda B-Series trucks are rated identically. The Mazda Tribute and Ford Escape are rated nearly identically: The same in reliability (worst), with varying degrees of ratings in other areas, because they DO vary in the seating installed, a few control placements, etc.. So even cars built on the same platform can, and commonly do, differ. Arguments against CR in that regard don't hold up.
Consumer Reports is the best auto information source, anywhere.
May-19th-2002, 03:02 AM
#40
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good lord mazdaspeedracer..
better watch that first step.. i think you're jumping onto that soap box way too fast.. you might trip and fall really hard.
Chill out dude.. holy crap.. you must think you are awesome or something.. calling others idiots when you can't comprehend simple english and misconstrue (sp???) what others say just so that you can call them an idiot...
Or you were in a REALLY bad mood when u wrote that stuff.
Anyhow.. breathe... relax. reread messages before you light up the flame.
Cheers
better watch that first step.. i think you're jumping onto that soap box way too fast.. you might trip and fall really hard.
Chill out dude.. holy crap.. you must think you are awesome or something.. calling others idiots when you can't comprehend simple english and misconstrue (sp???) what others say just so that you can call them an idiot...
Or you were in a REALLY bad mood when u wrote that stuff.
Anyhow.. breathe... relax. reread messages before you light up the flame.
Cheers
May-19th-2002, 12:33 PM
#41
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Re: I Agree!
Originally posted by ProtegeMaster
If the common conspiracy theory regarding CU being biased against U.S. autos held true, they would rate ALL U.S. cars as lousy. That's not the case, and neither do they rate all Japanese cars well. In fact, the Ford Focus was rated the best small car, by a considerable margin, but they can't recommend it because the reliability blows in that car. And the Chevy Impala, by the way, is a recommended car, with better than average reliability. The Chrysler PT Cruiser (designed before it became a German company)? Best possible reliability. The Ford Ranger and Mazda B-Series trucks are rated identically. The Mazda Tribute and Ford Escape are rated nearly identically: The same in reliability (worst), with varying degrees of ratings in other areas, because they DO vary in the seating installed, a few control placements, etc.. So even cars built on the same platform can, and commonly do, differ. Arguments against CR in that regard don't hold up.
Consumer Reports is the best auto information source, anywhere.
If the common conspiracy theory regarding CU being biased against U.S. autos held true, they would rate ALL U.S. cars as lousy. That's not the case, and neither do they rate all Japanese cars well. In fact, the Ford Focus was rated the best small car, by a considerable margin, but they can't recommend it because the reliability blows in that car. And the Chevy Impala, by the way, is a recommended car, with better than average reliability. The Chrysler PT Cruiser (designed before it became a German company)? Best possible reliability. The Ford Ranger and Mazda B-Series trucks are rated identically. The Mazda Tribute and Ford Escape are rated nearly identically: The same in reliability (worst), with varying degrees of ratings in other areas, because they DO vary in the seating installed, a few control placements, etc.. So even cars built on the same platform can, and commonly do, differ. Arguments against CR in that regard don't hold up.
Consumer Reports is the best auto information source, anywhere.
Also, the majority of respondents to these surveys are consumer reports subscribers, another big no no statistically. And last I checked, unless they changed something, they were not reporting sampling errors on their vehicle reports. Another big no no. When you take it all together CR is a joke.
The only thing I would trust these guys on is what blender to buy. Just because they don't accept money for advertisements does not make them an impartial and unbiased source for information.
May-19th-2002, 12:45 PM
#42
Patriotic Protege5
Join Date: Dec 2001
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Originally posted by Mazda Speed Racer
A side note, what are you driving? A P5? You weight about 2800, Integra? 2600. Powerwise? You have 130Hp and 135 Tourqe. Integra? Well seeing as you wouldnt be bragging about outhandling a car that is 5 years old im assuming it was a new one so MINIMUM 140HP 125 Tourqe. Of course it has the 170/166 Turbo engine option and the 195/130(HP/Tourqe) option as well.
A side note, what are you driving? A P5? You weight about 2800, Integra? 2600. Powerwise? You have 130Hp and 135 Tourqe. Integra? Well seeing as you wouldnt be bragging about outhandling a car that is 5 years old im assuming it was a new one so MINIMUM 140HP 125 Tourqe. Of course it has the 170/166 Turbo engine option and the 195/130(HP/Tourqe) option as well.
Last edited by azrakain; May-19th-2002 at 02:20 PM.
May-19th-2002, 02:23 PM
#43
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http://carpoint.msn.com/Vip/Engines/...tegra/2001.asp
Tell it to them, not me, i was just going on what i thought was proper info to prove a point....but it doesnt matter. Its over. Just stop it for god sake. I know when to draw the line.
Tell it to them, not me, i was just going on what i thought was proper info to prove a point....but it doesnt matter. Its over. Just stop it for god sake. I know when to draw the line.
May-19th-2002, 02:44 PM
#44
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I don't want to tell them as I already knew. I also knew not to get my information from Mircrosoft. They should only make operating systems. Try another place to get information. try this: http://sportcompactcarweb.com/archives/pdf/hybrid.pdf It has every honda engine that you may want to know about. Don't believe Microsoft. Believe the "knowledgable" people on this board. We will steer you in the right direction as we are guided by the non-blue lights......
Last edited by azrakain; May-19th-2002 at 02:50 PM.
May-19th-2002, 07:41 PM
#45
1.8L Comin atchya
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While you make good points MazdaSpeedRacer (in all your threads). You do it way too harshly. We come to this board hoping we get good advice for our Proteges. For the dreams we have. This started off by being a thread about someone who was upset cause he got in a wreck (whether it be his fault or not). We all feel bad for the guy. Ok. Why did you have to go and make it a horrible (and LLLOOONNNGGGG) thread? We enjoy our cars. Most of the things we say here are our opinions. If someone says he dosen't like the Stang then he dosen't like the Stang. I agree they have a lot of speed and torque and all that good stuff, but they IMO (in MY opinion) are not worth the extra $20,000. They are cars just like ours. Honda is a VERY reliable car. However, people buy the civic for speed and that is not what they were made for. Maybe the Si but ive read a thread that this guy in a P5 beat a Si. With just a couple mods. Saving him self about a grand. So (i know im rambiling but so be it) if i buy a Pro for an ES for $14,000 to $15,000 it has only 30hp less ( i say only but i don't really mean only) I can take that extra $5,000-$6,000 buy a turbo and a hellva lot of other mods and beat a Si. Same seniero with the Stang or Camaro. Maybe not beat a Stang or Camaro but keep up with them a hellva lot better. Ok that's my .01 (hehe)