Speed3, SVT, CopperS, Si. & R/T
April-8th-2002, 09:47 AM
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Speed3, SVT, CopperS, Si. & R/T
Everyone keeps saying Speed3 vs. WRX, I think your wrong. It should be Speed3 vs. Focus SVT vs. Mini Copper S vs. Civic Si vs. Neon R/T. The WRX cost to much. 3k to 5k more than the others. Now we have five fast little cars that if you read the likes of Road and Track, Autoweek, Motortrend, and others they will say nice things about all five. Their priced around the same, their fast, the write ups are good., and for the most part they all look good. Which is the best by?
April-8th-2002, 10:17 AM
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yes Focus SVT intrigues me quite a bit. With all the goodies they pack in for that car and only selling for 18k, it's almost too good to be true...
Gonna have to test drive one when they start showing up...
Gonna have to test drive one when they start showing up...
April-8th-2002, 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
all out performance, the Neon will likely be the most potent, but its quality and reliability are to be questioned. The MS protege is the best all around in my opinion. The SVT lacks a LSD, and thats a big no-no with 170hp. The cooper S will be VERY cool, and is up above the price of the MS protege, about 23 for a well equipped one. And from what im hearing from some people who have driven the normal "non S" cooper, it feels like a neon with BMW suspension.
all out performance, the Neon will likely be the most potent, but its quality and reliability are to be questioned. The MS protege is the best all around in my opinion. The SVT lacks a LSD, and thats a big no-no with 170hp. The cooper S will be VERY cool, and is up above the price of the MS protege, about 23 for a well equipped one. And from what im hearing from some people who have driven the normal "non S" cooper, it feels like a neon with BMW suspension.
April-8th-2002, 11:59 AM
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As far as performance, they are all probably pretty close when it comes to seat of the pants feel except for the Mini. For me it comes down to finish, looks, and pracitcality.
I would remove the Mini from this comparison too for the reasons that PRX mentioned. All the other cars are probably pretty similar in power according to the butt dyno.
As for the rest of the cars, it boils down to looks, fit and finish and reliability. The MS3 and the Civic Si are at the top of my list here, although I am not quite used to the new look of the Si.
Next I would put the Focus even though I really don't like the looks. Styling on that thing is painfully sharp and chaotic. The good handling and power just can't make up for ugly.
The reliablity of the Neon puts it at the bottom of the list. It looks pretty good, but kind of cheap and dated at the same time.
I would remove the Mini from this comparison too for the reasons that PRX mentioned. All the other cars are probably pretty similar in power according to the butt dyno.
As for the rest of the cars, it boils down to looks, fit and finish and reliability. The MS3 and the Civic Si are at the top of my list here, although I am not quite used to the new look of the Si.
Next I would put the Focus even though I really don't like the looks. Styling on that thing is painfully sharp and chaotic. The good handling and power just can't make up for ugly.
The reliablity of the Neon puts it at the bottom of the list. It looks pretty good, but kind of cheap and dated at the same time.
April-8th-2002, 12:40 PM
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SVT $17480 0-60 7.5, 170bhp @ 7,000, 145ft-lbs @ 5.500
SE-R specV $17k 0-60 7.5, 175bhp @ 6,000, 180ft-lbs @ 4,000
Neon R/T $16,890 0-60 8.5, 150bhp @ 5,700, 135ft-lbs @ 4,800
CopperS $19,300 0-60 6.9, 163bhp @ 6,000, 162ft-lbs @ 4,000
Civic Si $19,000 0-60 7.9, 160bhp @ 6.500, 132ft-lbs @ 5.000
Speed3 $21? 170bhp Ihave not seen hard times on it yet.
SE-R specV $17k 0-60 7.5, 175bhp @ 6,000, 180ft-lbs @ 4,000
Neon R/T $16,890 0-60 8.5, 150bhp @ 5,700, 135ft-lbs @ 4,800
CopperS $19,300 0-60 6.9, 163bhp @ 6,000, 162ft-lbs @ 4,000
Civic Si $19,000 0-60 7.9, 160bhp @ 6.500, 132ft-lbs @ 5.000
Speed3 $21? 170bhp Ihave not seen hard times on it yet.
April-8th-2002, 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by reefruner5
i think it should be the Neo SRT 4, not the R/T, thats the high perfomance Neon that will be a direct competitor
i think it should be the Neo SRT 4, not the R/T, thats the high perfomance Neon that will be a direct competitor
Is that the neon with a 215bhp Turbocharged engine and a LSD? If so then these other cars are going to have a bit of trouble keeping up.
April-8th-2002, 02:44 PM
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You can get a base cooper s or a cooper for sticker. The dealer here is not charging any markup. I drove the base Mini today and I really liked it, it was really stiff with 17in wheels considering it was the base one. you can get a base mini for 16800 with no options. I consider that a damn good deal for what you get.
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April-8th-2002, 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by Installshield
Is that the neon with a 215bhp Turbocharged engine and a LSD? If so then these other cars are going to have a bit of trouble keeping up.
Is that the neon with a 215bhp Turbocharged engine and a LSD? If so then these other cars are going to have a bit of trouble keeping up.
April-8th-2002, 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by Installshield
Is that the neon with a 215bhp Turbocharged engine and a LSD? If so then these other cars are going to have a bit of trouble keeping up.
Is that the neon with a 215bhp Turbocharged engine and a LSD? If so then these other cars are going to have a bit of trouble keeping up.