New Tuning Option for Mazdas
January-13th-2006, 06:30 PM
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New Tuning Option for Mazdas
Moderators - just trying to be informative...not trying to sell.
SCT now has the Advantage software for 94-02 Mazda 626, Protege, MX6 and Ford Probes. There are 4 products:
4 program "flip" chips for the older EECIV/EECV with a J-3 connector.
The XCal1 flasher can be flashed with 3 programs.
The XCal2 flasher can be flashed with 3 programs. The XCal2 also has a built in datalogger and scan tool.
The Racer package which includes software for your specific PCM and a flasher or chip for your car.
The flashers are very easy to use since they reflash through the diag port = no parts to remove. They are VIN locked to the specific vehicle but can be unlocked if the original vehicle is returned to the stock program.
To reflash with the XCal1 or XCal2 requires stopping the vehicle, hooking up the flasher and making the change.
The chip requires removing the EEC and cleaning the port, installing the chip.
The 4-position chip and switch can be changed anytime on the fly.
SCT now has the Advantage software for 94-02 Mazda 626, Protege, MX6 and Ford Probes. There are 4 products:
4 program "flip" chips for the older EECIV/EECV with a J-3 connector.
The XCal1 flasher can be flashed with 3 programs.
The XCal2 flasher can be flashed with 3 programs. The XCal2 also has a built in datalogger and scan tool.
The Racer package which includes software for your specific PCM and a flasher or chip for your car.
The flashers are very easy to use since they reflash through the diag port = no parts to remove. They are VIN locked to the specific vehicle but can be unlocked if the original vehicle is returned to the stock program.
To reflash with the XCal1 or XCal2 requires stopping the vehicle, hooking up the flasher and making the change.
The chip requires removing the EEC and cleaning the port, installing the chip.
The 4-position chip and switch can be changed anytime on the fly.
January-13th-2006, 06:38 PM
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BTW...thanks mattsstang87 for the invite. We are looking at getting the Mazdaspeed6 and I have been looking for "good" Mazda boards...
January-13th-2006, 06:56 PM
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what kind of proof or anything do you have that this works on a 99-03 protege? Any dyno charts? What exactly do you adjust? How do you fine tune a car with additonal mods when you don't have the cars wideband print out from a dyno for testing?
p.s. You're more than welcome here but this thread was nothing but a sales push. You've not posted ANY information other than the fact that you claim to have the ability to create flashable programs for our cars. This is advertising. there's no other way it can be interperted. .
p.s. You're more than welcome here but this thread was nothing but a sales push. You've not posted ANY information other than the fact that you claim to have the ability to create flashable programs for our cars. This is advertising. there's no other way it can be interperted. .
January-14th-2006, 12:34 AM
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The software has already been tested by SCT. They successfully reflashed several Mazdas. It works. Nope, no dynos numbers. Need a local volunteer. I have already been contacted by a few in my area. Hopefully we can get them on the dyno soon.
Same stuff thats adjustable in the Ford version = just about everything is available.
Same way we have been doing it for Fords over the years. Try to remember the Ford world has been doing this type of tuning for at least 10 years now. The only thing that stopped the Mazdas was somebody spending the time and money to develop the specific software and working flash protocols. SCT finally did it for the Ford-based Mazda PCMs.
For bolt-ons in a Mass-Air car...little fine tuning is needed above the original performance program.
For the turbo/N2O/blower cars... The XCal1 and XCal2 can be loaded with programs that your tuner can send via e-mail. I have tuned many cars long distance with their wideband feedback I can send them changes over the net.
Or buy the Racer package and do it yourself. The Racer package is cheaper than any stand-alone system. It can be sent with a base program to get you started.
Same stuff thats adjustable in the Ford version = just about everything is available.
Same way we have been doing it for Fords over the years. Try to remember the Ford world has been doing this type of tuning for at least 10 years now. The only thing that stopped the Mazdas was somebody spending the time and money to develop the specific software and working flash protocols. SCT finally did it for the Ford-based Mazda PCMs.
For bolt-ons in a Mass-Air car...little fine tuning is needed above the original performance program.
For the turbo/N2O/blower cars... The XCal1 and XCal2 can be loaded with programs that your tuner can send via e-mail. I have tuned many cars long distance with their wideband feedback I can send them changes over the net.
Or buy the Racer package and do it yourself. The Racer package is cheaper than any stand-alone system. It can be sent with a base program to get you started.
January-14th-2006, 12:49 AM
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i'm very familiar with ford tuning. I've done a lot of 2.3L turbo ford stuff.
Once you get some dyno information up and can post proof of good gains I'm all for it.
Once you get some dyno information up and can post proof of good gains I'm all for it.
January-14th-2006, 01:31 AM
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BTW, maybe I missed it somewhere but I couldn't find any info on what a vendor needs to supply/apply to get Vendor status... Thx
January-14th-2006, 03:30 AM
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email Ryan at admin@mazda3club.com Let him know you're interested in becoming a vendor. Just explain what it is you do. He shouldn't have any problems with it. He may want to keep your contact info on record in case people have problems with you in the future. (common protege problem).
What mazdas have you ACTUALLY used this product on? I know in theory it should work but no'ones done it yet that we know of. What is your experience tuning MAZDAS with this?
What mazdas have you ACTUALLY used this product on? I know in theory it should work but no'ones done it yet that we know of. What is your experience tuning MAZDAS with this?
January-14th-2006, 08:06 AM
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This would be a great product if indeed, it really works.
I realize the difficulty in working with Mazda software, and would love to see some real numbers.
I realize the difficulty in working with Mazda software, and would love to see some real numbers.
January-14th-2006, 09:34 AM
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please show some documented proof it works instead of just saying "it works"....once you have that -register as a vendor, and you will make tons of money here....
January-14th-2006, 11:52 AM
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Wow, I am surprised by the doubt about it actually working. Its a Ford EEC= no big deal to flash. The only issue was somebody taking the time to translate the code into the software.
No prob. I am trying to find a couple of MI locals to work with.
No prob. I am trying to find a couple of MI locals to work with.
January-14th-2006, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by petec
Wow, I am surprised by the doubt about it actually working. Its a Ford EEC= no big deal to flash. The only issue was somebody taking the time to translate the code into the software.
No prob. I am trying to find a couple of MI locals to work with.
No prob. I am trying to find a couple of MI locals to work with.
January-14th-2006, 07:31 PM
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has nothing to do with doubt....there are people that SAY those electric superchargers work...there's no proof of such, so obviously people are not inclined to buy the product...
there are cases of jet chips working on other cars, and they SAY they work on Mazda's,but no one has gotten them to work yet.....so we don't buy these either
so once again..show me proof it works, or let it go
there are cases of jet chips working on other cars, and they SAY they work on Mazda's,but no one has gotten them to work yet.....so we don't buy these either
so once again..show me proof it works, or let it go
January-15th-2006, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by kargoboy
We're only doubting you because even though there are hundreds of thousands of Mazda Proteges and 323s out there, no one's ever done it before that we know of.
January-15th-2006, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by macdaddyslomo
has nothing to do with doubt....there are people that SAY those electric superchargers work...there's no proof of such, so obviously people are not inclined to buy the product...
there are cases of jet chips working on other cars, and they SAY they work on Mazda's,but no one has gotten them to work yet.....so we don't buy these either
so once again..show me proof it works, or let it go
there are cases of jet chips working on other cars, and they SAY they work on Mazda's,but no one has gotten them to work yet.....so we don't buy these either
so once again..show me proof it works, or let it go
No prob I found a local guy with an MP3. We are going to try and get together tomorrow.
January-15th-2006, 04:20 PM
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yeah man, we come off harsh but it's just because vendors rarely ever come through for us. The protege isn't even made anymore (2 years out) and we still have no EMS options other than full standalone.
Just as soon as you show good before and after dyno's I'll happily hand over money to you.
Also, if you do ford tuning I could use a new chip for my 1990 SHO.
Just as soon as you show good before and after dyno's I'll happily hand over money to you.
Also, if you do ford tuning I could use a new chip for my 1990 SHO.