Roddimus Prime

II-Savy...the number of mods shouldn't be what determines it....it's still an ES with modification.

Poseur, I don't owe you any explanation of why I don't like other forums. It's not my place to tell you where to get your info from. I'm not shallow enough to think that because something is not for me means it's not for anyone. You visit any forums you want and make decisions based on what YOU want to. I personally prefer the maturity and lack of crap of this forum.

p.s. The reason it seems like "my realm" over here is because I'm always on. Mackdaddyslomo and I are about the only frequenting mods here. Also, I'm trying to re-jump start the forum by offering special group buys and new products here. I have a good attitude and I'm trying to spread that so new visitors will see and enjoy this forum.

p.p.s I don't dislike you. I dislike some of your worthless OT posts.

03ESPro

Sure, if you add up the cosmetic stuff, and look at the suspension pieces individually it seems like a lot, but aside from those, its mainly just a somewhat lackluster turbo setup (compared to aftermarket kits now available) added on to the same motor. Don't get me wrong, I think the MSP's look awesome, and will definitely outrun my ES, but they're still basically the same car. Hence the name, Mazdaspeed PROTEGE. I'm not looking for an argument, I was just trying to keep things in perspective earlier, as Roddimus also pointed out.

Prote-J

okay .. I will put my 2 cent worthless post in... everybody just take some Mydol or something and relax....

kargoboy

I gotta agree with Rod on the MSP thing, it's still basically a 3rd gen and belongs in the same category. There is a ton of info about every model on this forum. I have found answers to just about every question I've had and when I've had to ask I didn't get crap or stupid answers from anyone.
I belong to two other forums but rarely visit either one of them or post. I know some of you are members also and this is not directed to any of you, but good god, there are a lot of idiots out there and I just don't have the patience to wade through the trash.
And---at least most of the ppl who post here have a grasp of proper grammar!!!! *personal gripe*

Roddimus Prime

hahaha!! I hate the ricer-speak!!

Prote-J

yeah... I hate it when they can't spell or use the wrong words ..... quite irritating...

Roddimus Prime

fer shur

94protolx

I will agree that the MSP is based on the ES but in reality it is its own car.. what does it share besides the engine and the frame.....I mean there is more then a few upgrades on the MSP but it is just an upgraded ES.. and I would also agree that this is one of the better forums for mazda's but has lately lacked active members myself included. I just hope that those members that are acitve dont turn retarded over night

03ESPro

hmm...pretty much everything, just with some changes here and there. It's funny to me that the only people who don't seem to think its still a Protege, are the people who own the Speeds. Does it make you feel better to think you don't drive a Protege? Just curious.

Wait, I just reread your post, and now I'm even more confused.

Quote "I mean there is more then a few upgrades on the MSP but it is just an upgraded ES"

Didn't you just refute your own statement above?

94protolx

what my point is that yes it is an es but there is no comparison
i would drive an es dx I have a 94 also i like all protege's im just saying while it is just a modified es it is a different beast

macdaddyslomo

Thought I'd pop in and add some stuff...The whole "this forum is dead" talk is getting old. It WAS pretty dead, but traffic is slowly but surely increasing, partially because of better moderating, partially because of old members coming back and partially because the site has become MUCH more reliable. I have no beefs with other forums, and I always come back here, due to the wealth of knowledge and this boards history.


The Mazdaspeed Protege issue...A more accurate statement would probably be its an MP3 with a few mods. To say its a different car is rediculous though...If you turbo a P5 and put racing beat springs, MSP swaybars, Tokico HP's, and a Mazdaspeed LSD is it still a P5 ?? Of course it is...use a little logic people

94protolx

why is everyone so quick to say oh "your wrong ***** bag"
we get it so ots the same car

Poseur

This is about the only time I've really got OT, apart from directing ppl to the darkside, but I still atleast try to provide insight. And the re-direction is done purely out of wanting to help. I know I'm not any cherished knowledge base, but I like to believe that generally what I have to say helps. I'm really not trying topick on you man, please don't take this as an attack. Calling my posts worthless isn't exactly friendly-speak. And again, if this is out of place, etc. you're a mod, delete it, I meanit, I'd hate to taint happy-world.

As long as I'm OT anyway, and due to get my *** slapped and my birthday taken away, The other thing that gets fishy-seeming is when you've got a mod who's also a vendor. Kinda tosses an inherant bias into the mix. I personally don't have a problem with this, but essentially it turns this site rather commercial, even if you're simply trying to help it out by offering the deals.

cosmo420

so in other words like what was stated was that the MSP is an ES with a few mods, and so then the Buick GN is a Regal with a few mods? come' on.

94protolx

alright this is like beating a dead horse with a stick