mazda dealership misrepresentation--legality issue
April-30th-2003, 10:14 PM
#31
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Originally posted by ZoomZoomH
dude, do you REALLY WANT THOSE MAZDASPEED WHEELS THAT BAD???????????? They are nice, but not so nice that it's worth paying additional hundreds/thousands of lawyer fees just so you can have them on a DX.....
the dealer is willing to replace the Mazdaspeeds with aftermarket ones, you can get VERY VERY NICE RIMS (like Volks) with what you paid for for the Mazdaspeed wheels!!!!!!!!!
I know it's all about principles now (their breach of contract), but you HAVE to put everything in perspective, is it worth it to fight it out in court just you can feel good, all for a set of wheels???
be flexible!!!!!
dude, do you REALLY WANT THOSE MAZDASPEED WHEELS THAT BAD???????????? They are nice, but not so nice that it's worth paying additional hundreds/thousands of lawyer fees just so you can have them on a DX.....
the dealer is willing to replace the Mazdaspeeds with aftermarket ones, you can get VERY VERY NICE RIMS (like Volks) with what you paid for for the Mazdaspeed wheels!!!!!!!!!
I know it's all about principles now (their breach of contract), but you HAVE to put everything in perspective, is it worth it to fight it out in court just you can feel good, all for a set of wheels???
be flexible!!!!!
I'm writing a letter to the dealership/sales manager, if anyone's interested in reading it i could post it when i'm done, it ought to be interesting reading
May-1st-2003, 01:16 AM
#33
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man, what car dealer does give good service? Thier all crooks and will rip people off for thousands of dollars and can still sleep at night. I HATE car dealers.
Well, if you do fight them, good luck, the con artists deserve everything bad that ever comes to them.
Well, if you do fight them, good luck, the con artists deserve everything bad that ever comes to them.
May-2nd-2003, 09:07 AM
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Am I the only one that sees how fricken stupid this is?
When you did the contract with the dealer, did you know that the Harts were 5 lug while your DX had the 4 lug hubs?
You were dealing with a salesperson, not a service tech.
Reading this thread gave me a headache, and reminded me why the legal system is so clogged with lame cases such as this.
When you did the contract with the dealer, did you know that the Harts were 5 lug while your DX had the 4 lug hubs?
You were dealing with a salesperson, not a service tech.
Reading this thread gave me a headache, and reminded me why the legal system is so clogged with lame cases such as this.
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May-2nd-2003, 12:36 PM
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I'm gonna have to stand up for nai8o5 on this one, if he wasn't aware of the lug difference. The Protege is probably the only car I have ever seen, with the exception of the older Mustangs, that had two different lug patterns. Most cars, regardless of trim level, have the same backspacing and pattern, making it simple to swap wheels between them. I can't say I personally wouldn't have taken the dealer up on the offer for another set of 17's, but if the MSP wheels were the ones he really wanted, then some type of agreement needs to be made, and ultimately, the dealer IS responsible for fulfilling their contract. They are a Mazda dealership, and any salesman that's worth a **** should know about the cars he's selling, and if he doesn't, then he should have checked to make sure it was possible before making a deal. They do have techs available, and could have easily avoided this whole situation.
May-2nd-2003, 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by 03ESPro
They are a Mazda dealership, and any salesman that's worth a **** should know about the cars he's selling, and if he doesn't, then he should have checked to make sure it was possible before making a deal. They do have techs available, and could have easily avoided this whole situation.
They are a Mazda dealership, and any salesman that's worth a **** should know about the cars he's selling, and if he doesn't, then he should have checked to make sure it was possible before making a deal. They do have techs available, and could have easily avoided this whole situation.
May-2nd-2003, 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by TurboTodd
You were dealing with a salesperson, not a service tech.
You were dealing with a salesperson, not a service tech.
May-2nd-2003, 03:01 PM
#40
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Originally posted by nai8o5
That's exactly what i was planning on. Again, it was an honest mistake on their part, they didn't realize that the lug pattern changed on the '03 protege DX only, in fact, i doubt they even knew what lag pattern it used to be, or what it is now, they saw protege and assumed it would fit a protege, and of course coming from the MAZDA dealership, i also obviously ASSUMED that they knew the wheel would fit my car, and i was NOT going to buy the car and then the salesmen said, "i tell you what, i'll throw in the racing harts for the same price" and that's what i agreed on, and it is in signing that they would INSTALL those rims on my MAZDA PROTEGE that i purchased.....If that day they would have not offered the rims, then i would NEVER have purchased the car, and i would have waited for the Spec V to come in........and that's where i am coming from.........plain and simple mistake, but they should have known, and it is FRAUD, i purchased the car with those specific rims, they need to either make my car 5 lug, or switch it for the car i originally was going to purchase, and it's their mistake not mine, they will pay for any loss associated with the switch and/or conversion..............anyways, i tend to over-react initially so i waited a day before i talk to them more, hehe, but thinking it over and talking with others, and this forum, that's what i will tell them.............
That's exactly what i was planning on. Again, it was an honest mistake on their part, they didn't realize that the lug pattern changed on the '03 protege DX only, in fact, i doubt they even knew what lag pattern it used to be, or what it is now, they saw protege and assumed it would fit a protege, and of course coming from the MAZDA dealership, i also obviously ASSUMED that they knew the wheel would fit my car, and i was NOT going to buy the car and then the salesmen said, "i tell you what, i'll throw in the racing harts for the same price" and that's what i agreed on, and it is in signing that they would INSTALL those rims on my MAZDA PROTEGE that i purchased.....If that day they would have not offered the rims, then i would NEVER have purchased the car, and i would have waited for the Spec V to come in........and that's where i am coming from.........plain and simple mistake, but they should have known, and it is FRAUD, i purchased the car with those specific rims, they need to either make my car 5 lug, or switch it for the car i originally was going to purchase, and it's their mistake not mine, they will pay for any loss associated with the switch and/or conversion..............anyways, i tend to over-react initially so i waited a day before i talk to them more, hehe, but thinking it over and talking with others, and this forum, that's what i will tell them.............
May-2nd-2003, 03:32 PM
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It is normal for car salesman to not know **** about the cars they are selling. If they do give you information, its usually wrong anyway.
Car salesman are guys who couldnt get a job anywhere else and need something to hold them over.
Their ONLY concern is thier profit, they could care less about the actual product.
I have NEVER met a salsman who knew half of what I knew about the car I was buying.
if you rely on them , you are making a big mistake.
Car salesman are guys who couldnt get a job anywhere else and need something to hold them over.
Their ONLY concern is thier profit, they could care less about the actual product.
I have NEVER met a salsman who knew half of what I knew about the car I was buying.
if you rely on them , you are making a big mistake.
May-2nd-2003, 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by Ryan
uh man, i know what its like to go to a dealership wanting a car and them not have it, so you settled for less, but are you kidding me? that much less? going from a spec v to a dayum dx? whoa, i could see settling for a different color, but come on a totally diff car that has no comparison at all, oh i can get rh' wheels with it, now now, why not just buy the msp? at least its closer to the spec v. i cant believe you would jump that much lower becuz you thought u could get rh wheels.
uh man, i know what its like to go to a dealership wanting a car and them not have it, so you settled for less, but are you kidding me? that much less? going from a spec v to a dayum dx? whoa, i could see settling for a different color, but come on a totally diff car that has no comparison at all, oh i can get rh' wheels with it, now now, why not just buy the msp? at least its closer to the spec v. i cant believe you would jump that much lower becuz you thought u could get rh wheels.
BTW, did you ever finish writing that letter??? Post it once its done.
May-2nd-2003, 03:50 PM
#43
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Originally posted by Mach 1
It is normal for car salesman to not know **** about the cars they are selling. If they do give you information, its usually wrong anyway.
Car salesman are guys who couldnt get a job anywhere else and need something to hold them over.
Their ONLY concern is thier profit, they could care less about the actual product.
I have NEVER met a salsman who knew half of what I knew about the car I was buying.
if you rely on them , you are making a big mistake.
It is normal for car salesman to not know **** about the cars they are selling. If they do give you information, its usually wrong anyway.
Car salesman are guys who couldnt get a job anywhere else and need something to hold them over.
Their ONLY concern is thier profit, they could care less about the actual product.
I have NEVER met a salsman who knew half of what I knew about the car I was buying.
if you rely on them , you are making a big mistake.
The saleman when i baught my 02 lancer, knew more about the car than i did, and it was very valid and true information. I always go home and think about what im gonna at least one day before i buy it.. So i took the info he gave me went home and validated it. He was very straight honost and to the point with me about everyting on the car.
I've had some salesman actually tell me not to buy a car they offered becuz of its shitty quality.
Really depends on who you talk to. When i go to buy a car, i dont buy the car from the first guy that walks up and ask if he can help, those are the vulture types that only want a sale, I don't buy from the guys that wear the cheesy clothes that make them look like used car salemen with the greesed back hair, I go inside and talk to the guy that When i talk to them i know they know what there talking about. If you hang around looking at the car long enuf, one of the saleman that knows everything about the car NOT BROCHURE INFORMATION, but actually has researched the car will show up.
I would never buy a car suicide style were the first saleman i talked to is who i baught it from.
May-2nd-2003, 04:15 PM
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The accountability starts at the sales person. If he put the wrong model (ES opposed to DX) on the paperwork, then the service people would see the ES and believe the rims will fit. The sales manager would see the ES and believe the rims will fit. And because your sales person was unfamiliar with the car, the dealership is ultimately responsible as well.
I believe that car sales person will be out of a job very soon.
I wonder if you could get them to trade your DX for and ES in order to make the rims fit. the price difference is ~$2500 MSRP and that might be less of an expense to the dealership than going to court.
I believe that car sales person will be out of a job very soon.
I wonder if you could get them to trade your DX for and ES in order to make the rims fit. the price difference is ~$2500 MSRP and that might be less of an expense to the dealership than going to court.
May-2nd-2003, 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by Ryan
Not, totally true, Least not my experiences with car saleman, yes some have that sleezy vulture car sales man attitude to were all they want to do is make a sale, Some use it as a side job, and some are really good at what they do, Which isn't always selling the car.
The saleman when i baught my 02 lancer, knew more about the car than i did, and it was very valid and true information. I always go home and think about what im gonna at least one day before i buy it.. So i took the info he gave me went home and validated it. He was very straight honost and to the point with me about everyting on the car.
I've had some salesman actually tell me not to buy a car they offered becuz of its shitty quality.
Really depends on who you talk to. When i go to buy a car, i dont buy the car from the first guy that walks up and ask if he can help, those are the vulture types that only want a sale, I don't buy from the guys that wear the cheesy clothes that make them look like used car salemen with the greesed back hair, I go inside and talk to the guy that When i talk to them i know they know what there talking about. If you hang around looking at the car long enuf, one of the saleman that knows everything about the car NOT BROCHURE INFORMATION, but actually has researched the car will show up.
I would never buy a car suicide style were the first saleman i talked to is who i baught it from.
Not, totally true, Least not my experiences with car saleman, yes some have that sleezy vulture car sales man attitude to were all they want to do is make a sale, Some use it as a side job, and some are really good at what they do, Which isn't always selling the car.
The saleman when i baught my 02 lancer, knew more about the car than i did, and it was very valid and true information. I always go home and think about what im gonna at least one day before i buy it.. So i took the info he gave me went home and validated it. He was very straight honost and to the point with me about everyting on the car.
I've had some salesman actually tell me not to buy a car they offered becuz of its shitty quality.
Really depends on who you talk to. When i go to buy a car, i dont buy the car from the first guy that walks up and ask if he can help, those are the vulture types that only want a sale, I don't buy from the guys that wear the cheesy clothes that make them look like used car salemen with the greesed back hair, I go inside and talk to the guy that When i talk to them i know they know what there talking about. If you hang around looking at the car long enuf, one of the saleman that knows everything about the car NOT BROCHURE INFORMATION, but actually has researched the car will show up.
I would never buy a car suicide style were the first saleman i talked to is who i baught it from.