Mach 1

OMG, another idiot.... I dont have the time to school you also. Good luck in your search for a clue.

Mach 1

Did you ever try speaking from your mouth instead of your *******?

Maybe you would make sense then? Nawwwwww...your just a moron.

When your done putting words in my mouth and making things up, possibly we could disolve this little problem of ours, but like I said already, why should I bother with an idiot like you?

So I wont.

unclebuz

My friend, I must inform you that car payments are indeed a part of money management. If and when you decide to go to college (did you get out of high school yet), I suggest you take a business course or two. You see, I have and I understand depreciation and expenses. Both which are deductible (hope this isn't over your head). Leasing is the best way to go as then EVERYTHING you spend on the car is deductible (car washes, wiper blades, INTAKE replacement, etc). Please don't hate me for making money! If it makes you feel better, I lost over $100,000 in the stock market since 9/11. Fortunately I am diversified so the long term effects will be minimal. Short term, I sold my Lincoln LS8 (sweet ride btw).

Now, back to the topic at hand....do what you want with your car because it is YOUR CAR. My point was and is that money spent on the intake is worth it. Like you, I didn't want a loud car all the time (that's why I didn't mess with the exhaust). With the new intake, it's only loud when you punch it. The sound is very sweet too.

N2OInferno

I think the Injen uses a K&N filter also. When I had my Celica I had an Injen CAI for it, and the ONLY difference between that K&N filter and the one on the Mustang I had was that the Injen one was rebadged with a piece of red plastic to say Injen on it.

Mach 1

Car payments are not a part of money management for everybody. How can someone as educated as you make such a stupid statement? Deductible? Maybe. For me, no, nothing is deductible. If for you it is, fine, but maybe its over your head that not everybody deducts car expenses? Is it? Is that hard for you to figure out? Please, oh great educated one, tell us ignorant ones?
Is there anybody intelligent on this board? Im having problems dealing the overabundance of ignorance teaming up on me. I decided to ignore the other idiot completely, as he didnt even have any thing to say worth listening to. You on the other hand, can at least carry an intelligent conversation, although your comments seem to be very narrow minded.

I decided I dont want the intake. This modifying cars isnt new for me, I have built many cars and engines, and I was interested in the intake to rid my engine compartment of the huge, strangly shaped black box that covers the front part of the engine compartment. After farther consideration, Its just not a priority to me, to play with this car at all. I swapped corner lights and added mud flaps, and thats all this car is getting.

Thanks for your input and recommendation that applied to my original question, now soemone please close this thread........

Mach 1

Look, your a ******* idiot, and its clear for anybody to see it. I dont have to point it out to those with enough common sense to read the post and decide for themselves.

Now get lost already....If you were close enough, I would love to settle this in person with you. But thats not an option, so just let it go.....

N2OInferno

TheMAN

good lord, will you two please shut up before I have to lock the thread? just two of you arguing like this makes both of you look equally stupid.

anyhow, unclebuz... if one has money, they wouldn't have to make car payments... they can pay it in full at once you know... like a used car? you must love making payments because leasing is such a good idea... have fun NOT owning anything and making payments for the rest of your life... value is a state of mind... who cares about value when you buy something to keep?

as for the intake... "cold air" is over hyped... the issue is this... all the dynos are run with pretty much static air.. results for BOTH short ram and cold air are similar... there's also the issue of fuel atomization... too cold of air and the fuel atomizes like ****.. and people wonder why their mileage went to **** after they got a CAI these past few months... oh there's also a problem when the air is too warm... it also atomizes like ****... there's also a problem of air flow coming TO the filter... when you tuck the filter neatly away from the engine bay into a hole that's pretty much boxed in, air flow TO that area is low, therefore a low pressure area... that's not so good in the real world situation when you are just driving.. let's not forget the amount of piping and bends needed for it to get the filter down there... each bend causes restrictions to air or liquid flow... that's a fact... now OTOH on a setup with the filter located inside the engine bay... you have a problem of heat soak when you are sitting in traffic in hot summer... performance goes to ****.... woopdiedo... once you get moving, this becomes a moot point... because the filter is located inside the engine bay, there's constant air flow coming through the grills of the car... air temperature of the filter will be higher than the hyped up cold air setup yes, due to the air passing through the radiator and other heated components such as the engine and exhaust... but it doesn't matter.. the amount of air flow makes up for the performance loss.... in some cases surpasing the cold air setup because of this indirect ram air effect... this setup also has a benefit in winter in maintaining performance... it's freezing outside... but the engine helps warm up the intake enough to help atomize fuel better

yes, cold air intakes are over hyped and although they're not bad, they're not as hyped up as they should be... warm air intakes are cheaper and they're not bad in a performance standpoint either

Makaveli

Well said

TheMAN

all that technical info was posted so that all of you assclowns can stfu about what's better and what's not with all these stupid claims

unclebuz

Dear Mr. "The Man":
Your comments referencing car payments suggest you did not fully read my statement. Please re-read so you may be enlightened. BTW, if you are not writing off YOUR car you are missing out! You can because of your involvement with this site. Think of your car as a "research" expense.


Violence?!?!?! And I was called immature. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Mach 1

The Man- although you make some good points, I find the location of the air filter in an automotive application unlikely to make the air "too cold" for proper atomization. I have felt the improved affects of a cold air filter position as opposed to a heat soaking under hood filter by "seat of the pants" on a 300 Hp v8 application.

Blue Ledz- you again made a retarded comment and refuse to go away. Why are you even in this thread? You came here to start **** only, and you accomplished that, so your work here is done.

Many millions of people bolt **** under thier hood for improved looks.

I in fact, was more interested in losing the factory airbox to allow more room for maintenance. You cant even see the radiator or the hoses with the huge cover from the factory in there. Its big, its ugly, and it could go in my garbage can and I wouldnt lose sleep over it. Its removal allows more access to the radiator, hoses, as well as the exhaust manifold and surrounding areas.

I choose to not spend roughly $200 on a air intake soley for performance, as you arent going to get much, if any at all from one on a Protege with a stock engine. Im not interested in "sucking noises" or "quicker throttle response" . This car is primarily used by my wife to get from here to there. If I wanted to make a lot of power, I wouldnt be using this car as my starting point. This car isnt about horsepower, its about being reliable and good on gas. If you bought your Protege to go fast, Im sorry to hear that.

I said at the beginning I wasnt looking for performance gains to eliminate the "short ram" vs. "cold air" debate, which isnt why I started this topic. If I pick up 1/2 HP or more from a short ram (which is likely from the improved filter and not from the intake style itself) then thats icing on the cake, but not why I was interested in considering one. If your too stupid to understand that, I feel sorry for you, but lifes not fair. Looks like you came up on the short side of the stick.

unclebuz

Mach1....It's all good. You should do what you want. Be it with your car or with your life. The cars are good no matter what you do. The shortie works great & I am happy with my $68 investment.
ANYWAY, don't believe everything you read, for all you know I am a 14 yr old kid who only hopes to drive one day (kinda like The Man). Sorry The Man, couldn't resist one more flame! It's so much fun!! I actually have a lot of respect for guys & gals wanting to continue the hot rod tradition. In my day it was with V8s & rear wheel drive and things were a hell of a lot cheaper.
HAVE FUN

BTW The Man, you can write of your computer, ISP, and part of your electric bill too

TheMAN

the placement issue mainly revolves around how and WHERE air goes TO the filter.. the concern of things after the filter is illrelevant... as I have said.. if you tuck the filter away in an enclosed area, you're going to have trouble getting air there in the first place... so who cares if the temperature there is colder when there is **** for air there?

I have looked at dynos for the AEM and injen intakes... guess what? both of them yielded similar power figures! remember that when they dyno'd the cars, it's with almost static air... the performance gains realized from an indirect ram air setup (by placing the filter under the hood, thus letting globs of air, warm or not going to it) cannot be shown from a dyno

Mach 1

Dont over estimate any "indirect ram air" performance gains, as they are extremely limited at best.

Although the injen does get the filter away from the hot engine, it isnt ideally situated for fresh airflow. Point well taken.