A newbie with questions...
October-17th-2004, 06:49 PM
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A newbie with questions...
Well, it's my first day on this forum, and I like all of the tech info already. You guys(or gals) really seem to know what you're talking about. I was reading another thread about someone wanting to go the all motor route, for the same reasons I'm leaning that way also. I want to make just over 200 whp reliably, with little to no chance of blowing anything up, or sacrificing daily-drivability. Anyway, here's a list of planned upgrades for the near future, so if anyone can give me a rough estimate of the horse power I'll be making at the wheels with said upgrades,and any other recommended upgrades, it would really be appreciated. Also, does anyone know of a manufacturer that makes direct-fit high-performance cv-axles for an '03 LX? And, sorry, I'm a newbie with alot of questions, but, around about how much does it cost to get a head ported and polished? Thanks alot.
Planned Upgrades:
Nology Hotwires and Silverstone Plugs
AWR World Challenge Header
Racing Beat Cat-back Exhaust
ACT Street Performance Clutch kit
Nopi Underdrive pulleys
Unortodox Racing lightweight flywheel
AWR motor mounts
Planned Upgrades:
Nology Hotwires and Silverstone Plugs
AWR World Challenge Header
Racing Beat Cat-back Exhaust
ACT Street Performance Clutch kit
Nopi Underdrive pulleys
Unortodox Racing lightweight flywheel
AWR motor mounts
October-17th-2004, 10:02 PM
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Noligy wires have there advantages and disadvantages. Speaking from personal exp! Noligy wires are fkn great for care runing a 1 guage ground wire kite and an optimum battery!!!!!!!
Since the sparke ground is directly Grounded through the ;Grounding wires kit 1 guage!; they add a higher sparke at the plug also hoter! Doing this Causes more combustion in the chamber! Down side is if u dont have a very high grade grounding wire kit then u just dont get that kind of spark! Ngk is the best alternitive and scince u want this cars as a dally drive then u might not want the noligy kit! Trust me go NGK , now if ur dead set on the horse power then go with noligy. But u MUST have a very high quallity ground wire kit, and Good battery. U cant slack off on the grounding kit with noligy wires , if u do then u just wasted ur money on some very high price wires. I cant stress the fact that noligy needs these key componints to opperat as well as they say it does!!!!!!!!
Since the sparke ground is directly Grounded through the ;Grounding wires kit 1 guage!; they add a higher sparke at the plug also hoter! Doing this Causes more combustion in the chamber! Down side is if u dont have a very high grade grounding wire kit then u just dont get that kind of spark! Ngk is the best alternitive and scince u want this cars as a dally drive then u might not want the noligy kit! Trust me go NGK , now if ur dead set on the horse power then go with noligy. But u MUST have a very high quallity ground wire kit, and Good battery. U cant slack off on the grounding kit with noligy wires , if u do then u just wasted ur money on some very high price wires. I cant stress the fact that noligy needs these key componints to opperat as well as they say it does!!!!!!!!
October-18th-2004, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Roddimus Prime
the mods you listed MAY get you about 115whp. 200whp NA is going to be VERY difficult and will not be reliable. Sorry.
....I dyno'd my car [again] on Saturday and am now making 121/123 (hp up/tq down from last time) but they also did the air/fuel and it's crap! The car runs really, REALLY RICH. I'll have to get the sheet with the A/F up so you can see it.
October-18th-2004, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by p93mazdaracer
Noligy wires have there advantages and disadvantages. Speaking from personal exp! Noligy wires are fkn great for care runing a 1 guage ground wire kite and an optimum battery!!!!!!!
Since the sparke ground is directly Grounded through the ;Grounding wires kit 1 guage!; they add a higher sparke at the plug also hoter! Doing this Causes more combustion in the chamber! Down side is if u dont have a very high grade grounding wire kit then u just dont get that kind of spark! Ngk is the best alternitive and scince u want this cars as a dally drive then u might not want the noligy kit! Trust me go NGK , now if ur dead set on the horse power then go with noligy. But u MUST have a very high quallity ground wire kit, and Good battery. U cant slack off on the grounding kit with noligy wires , if u do then u just wasted ur money on some very high price wires. I cant stress the fact that noligy needs these key componints to opperat as well as they say it does!!!!!!!!
Since the sparke ground is directly Grounded through the ;Grounding wires kit 1 guage!; they add a higher sparke at the plug also hoter! Doing this Causes more combustion in the chamber! Down side is if u dont have a very high grade grounding wire kit then u just dont get that kind of spark! Ngk is the best alternitive and scince u want this cars as a dally drive then u might not want the noligy kit! Trust me go NGK , now if ur dead set on the horse power then go with noligy. But u MUST have a very high quallity ground wire kit, and Good battery. U cant slack off on the grounding kit with noligy wires , if u do then u just wasted ur money on some very high price wires. I cant stress the fact that noligy needs these key componints to opperat as well as they say it does!!!!!!!!
October-18th-2004, 03:31 PM
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Don't waste your money on the Nology wires. I've had them on a previous car, and they are nothing special. Unless you really like the look of braided ground straps all over your motor. And, don't waste your money on those Silverstone plugs, either. Silver electrodes um, erode and corrode. If you want a premium plug that will improve ignitability, buy a good iridium plug from NGK or Denso. You'll be glad you did.
I have to agree with Matty, that it isn't easy to make 200 whp in these cars. Sure, the Honda S2000 can do it. But that is a premium sports car engine, with variable valve timing, a light valvetrain, and a really high redline. Comparing the FS engine to the S2000 mill is like comparing apples and oranges. The FS is capable of high horsepower, but it won't come cheap. If money is no object to you, and you do want a really powerful all-motor car, a good place to start is the short block that Wagner offers, then build it up from there. Get friendly with a good machine shop while you are at it, and be prepared to look long and hard for stuff that you could find very easily if you owned a Honda. It's going to be difficult and expensive, but few things in life that are worthwhile are also cheap and easy.
I have to agree with Matty, that it isn't easy to make 200 whp in these cars. Sure, the Honda S2000 can do it. But that is a premium sports car engine, with variable valve timing, a light valvetrain, and a really high redline. Comparing the FS engine to the S2000 mill is like comparing apples and oranges. The FS is capable of high horsepower, but it won't come cheap. If money is no object to you, and you do want a really powerful all-motor car, a good place to start is the short block that Wagner offers, then build it up from there. Get friendly with a good machine shop while you are at it, and be prepared to look long and hard for stuff that you could find very easily if you owned a Honda. It's going to be difficult and expensive, but few things in life that are worthwhile are also cheap and easy.
October-18th-2004, 04:25 PM
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AFR's on these motor is GARBAGE!! I saw Wagner's AEM run on a 2.0L prtege with nothing but an injen intake and on 87 octane with NO timing adjustments (just leaning it out) he made 14whp and 10lb/ft. Imagine what could be done with 93octane and some timing control!! I bet 30hp easily. with good supporting mods like cams, header, exhaust, you may hit about 150-ish or so.
October-18th-2004, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Roddimus Prime
AFR's on these motor is GARBAGE!! I saw Wagner's AEM run on a 2.0L prtege with nothing but an injen intake and on 87 octane with NO timing adjustments (just leaning it out) he made 14whp and 10lb/ft. Imagine what could be done with 93octane and some timing control!! I bet 30hp easily. with good supporting mods like cams, header, exhaust, you may hit about 150-ish or so.
you gonna loan me the $$ for the AEM?
October-18th-2004, 10:08 PM
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well 200whp na is a hard thing to attain... and most likely uw ill not attain it, but u knwo what man, u still gotta try to get the most u can right
well u heard all the other suggestion so i wont say the same stuff over, but i will say this
look into getting a custom intake manifold fabricated.... i heard u can gain quite a nice amoutn of power from a custom intake manifold... but its a hard enough thing to make one correctly....
but i think one of the mods the world challenge proteges have, that helps them gain quite some hp, is their custom intake manifold....so this shoudl be quite a good route to go
also go for higher compression pistons.... and a standalone system so that u can lean out the engine and make use of those pistons and intake manifold
well u heard all the other suggestion so i wont say the same stuff over, but i will say this
look into getting a custom intake manifold fabricated.... i heard u can gain quite a nice amoutn of power from a custom intake manifold... but its a hard enough thing to make one correctly....
but i think one of the mods the world challenge proteges have, that helps them gain quite some hp, is their custom intake manifold....so this shoudl be quite a good route to go
also go for higher compression pistons.... and a standalone system so that u can lean out the engine and make use of those pistons and intake manifold
October-19th-2004, 07:45 AM
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Thanks for the input
Hey, I just wanted to thank everyone for their responses. I had heard that the 2.0 was pretty much tapped out for power internally, but I didn't know how different our motor was from the 2.0 focus engine, and I've seen those reach well over 200 whp, all motor. Well, I guess turbo is the way to go! Aside from beefing up the fuel management system and the ignition, if I was planning on purchasing a used T3 and having a turbo manifold custom made, with intercooler etc., how much boost do you think my engine could handle, safely, with the stock internals? I may even add a small shot of NOS to correct any lag( 25-50 shot). Again, thanks a lot guys. 
