jster28

Hey guys. I found a complete motor for sale, a 2002 mazdaspeed engine with 5k mi. I was wondering if it was possible to drop that in my 2000 protege dx. The engine comes with the tranny, ecu, wire and etc. the cost is $2500, what do you guys think and would it even be worth it.

juddz

If you don't have a 2.0L and this is the only way you've found to go to FI, I suggest that you make sure it comes with the ECU and as much of the engine side harness as you can get.

jster28

Making my own turbo system or buying a turbo kit would cost around the same price as the engine. I figured that i could probably make more power from the speed engine then with my 1.6l with a turbo. the only thing wrong is one of the axleshafts are messed up for that engine, its from a wrecked speed.

juddz

It might not be a bad way to go...

Drackonn

too much money to swap, the engine doesnt just sit right in the car. people have estimate that you will spend upwards of 5k before your done with the swap ...

jster28

5k ! Well guess doing the swap is out of the question then, but thanks for the info.

juddz

What is it about this swap that is going to be so expensive and difficult, and is there no "shade tree" way around it?

Drackonn

i have no idea, just people discuss it on msprotege.com and clubprotege.com as well, and its always the same answer to everyone who thinks about it.

Da P-Funk!

Weelll, '50,000 Elvis fans Can't Be Wrong!"

If it were easy/cheap - you would have heard that also...

juddz

Why not give it a try? Nothing ventured, nothing gained. There is no reason not to pursue this, unless you hear very definite reasons why it will be so expensive (but I have not seen one good reason yet in this thread). There could be an easy or cheap way to do it, and you might have the privelege to be the guy in the other forums who says why! I'll bet it can be done, and it won't be rocket science. After all, you are taking one Protege motor and putting it into another of the same generation.

kbow

If they can put a 351 in a zx3, then you can do this. Its going to be tough though. msp +170hp, 2000 1.6 = 103hp. The way I Look at it is you can either spend 2500 on a ms motor(+ whatever its going to take to fit it in)and all the goodies and have a tuned turbo motor(please get new piping to) or you can spend 2500 for a turbo setup on a 1.6, still not make it to 170hp, and then spend way more tuning it. I know of only a couple people on other forums that just boosted their 1.6 and dont really have anything to rave about. I think If you did find a way to fit the msp engine in there, you would definitely be a one of a kind.

Bassbomber2002

i think its because you will have to stretch the frame to fit all the components in. get a new tranny to bolt up to the block and then rework your exhaust system to accomodate the different twists the new downpipe might add to it. its a big step from a 1.6l to a MSP engine. They say the BPT-engine swap for a 2000 is quite pricey as well. it all depends on what kinda deals u can cut with a body shop. i might buy the bpt-engine because theres a body shop in town that is just starting up and they want some riders to get their name out. if they will put my bpt in and guarantee it will run fine then ill let them do it. probably for the bare minimum price. its not what you know that gets you into the deals area. its who you know that will get you deals. in my opinion.

Roddimus Prime

my vote is for you to turbo the 1.6L and use the T25 turbo from the MSP. They are very cheap and perfectly sized for your engine. $2500 is pretty reasonable to turbo your car with a custom one-off kit. I bet it would put more power at the wheels than the MSP would stock.

also the MSP's are HARDLY "well tuned". I know a few people who have switched to regular protege ecu's and added a FMU and voltage clamp and made tons more power.
Jster28, if you lived closer to me I'd take a look at doing it for you but we're on opposite ends of the country.

juddz

Matty, what's up with your latest Avatar? Is this what your neighbor looks like, or is this what Paul Rueben (aka Pee Wee Herman) looks like without the make-up and the bowtie?

kbow

but dont you think, that they are more well tuned than this guy boosting his own na engine? hes going to have all kinds of tuning issues, FMU maybe, going to have to find bigger fuel injectors that work etc. Protegedogg and goldpro are the only 2 I know of with turbo 1.6's and last I heard both of them are still tuning trying to figure stuff out. If he turbos the 1.6, whos to say hes not going to spenk 4k just trying to get it tuned properly.