Intake ideas
January-20th-2002, 10:10 PM
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The Man-
I am an Electro-Mechanical Engineer 5 years design and 5 years in the field. I am not flaunting that because all of us have skills that are different from others and that is what makes the world go round. I was going to make an intake that is positioned exactly the way the Injen is but why do the work if I can buy one for $230 and have Dyno tests to back them up compairing them to their competitors. I am not saying that there is no other product out there that could be more effective as we have little developed for our cars right now.
Also all companies use hype to sell products, that is why I tested the AEM and Injen and found Injen to perform better. MHP was out of the question due to price $300+. I have also done modifications to the Injen intake to make it perform even better ie. bypass and air supply diverter , but no one has shown me how to post the pics with out a web site associated. Yes the Tornado was an afterthought but I placed it in different areas of the intake and found the car to perform better (what is the harm it was a $30 risk that paid off). If I find that as I add mods that it hampers perfomance then it will go.
AS for the engine light it does not come on, however I am looking in to reprogramming the ECU to enhance the performance.
Also I took care of the design flaw that the intake has with wearing into the A/C line.
As far as spending over $200 on a mod that gives less than a minumum HP, realize that as you add other mods the performance of your car will only be inhanced with a good CAI intake( Flow, Differental Temp,etc...)
I also realize that everyone has different means and that is OK, but some of the suggestions and answers that (jmauld) gave did not make sense, especially a $300 rebuilt turbo ( who in there right mind would atempt to install that, it also did not make sense from the stand point of where is the intercooler? BOV etc...)
The Man- I have seen your intake and yes it does do the job but could it be more efficent, look better esthetically, and whouldn't it perform better if it was outside the engine compartment? I am not attacking you we all have different taste, ideas and prefer different areas of the car to spend money.
As for jmauld some people should think out and research before they post, I understand that he started out with good intentions, as did I, but it then became nonsense and I had to correct it.
Finally what is wrong with taking a good product and making it better?
PS The Man- please enlighten me where I can find that our engine requires 3.9 Quarts of oil, as ou manual on page 10-5 says 3.5 without filter change (dumb) and 3.7 Quarts with filter change.
I am an Electro-Mechanical Engineer 5 years design and 5 years in the field. I am not flaunting that because all of us have skills that are different from others and that is what makes the world go round. I was going to make an intake that is positioned exactly the way the Injen is but why do the work if I can buy one for $230 and have Dyno tests to back them up compairing them to their competitors. I am not saying that there is no other product out there that could be more effective as we have little developed for our cars right now.
Also all companies use hype to sell products, that is why I tested the AEM and Injen and found Injen to perform better. MHP was out of the question due to price $300+. I have also done modifications to the Injen intake to make it perform even better ie. bypass and air supply diverter , but no one has shown me how to post the pics with out a web site associated. Yes the Tornado was an afterthought but I placed it in different areas of the intake and found the car to perform better (what is the harm it was a $30 risk that paid off). If I find that as I add mods that it hampers perfomance then it will go.
AS for the engine light it does not come on, however I am looking in to reprogramming the ECU to enhance the performance.
Also I took care of the design flaw that the intake has with wearing into the A/C line.
As far as spending over $200 on a mod that gives less than a minumum HP, realize that as you add other mods the performance of your car will only be inhanced with a good CAI intake( Flow, Differental Temp,etc...)
I also realize that everyone has different means and that is OK, but some of the suggestions and answers that (jmauld) gave did not make sense, especially a $300 rebuilt turbo ( who in there right mind would atempt to install that, it also did not make sense from the stand point of where is the intercooler? BOV etc...)
The Man- I have seen your intake and yes it does do the job but could it be more efficent, look better esthetically, and whouldn't it perform better if it was outside the engine compartment? I am not attacking you we all have different taste, ideas and prefer different areas of the car to spend money.
As for jmauld some people should think out and research before they post, I understand that he started out with good intentions, as did I, but it then became nonsense and I had to correct it.
Finally what is wrong with taking a good product and making it better?
PS The Man- please enlighten me where I can find that our engine requires 3.9 Quarts of oil, as ou manual on page 10-5 says 3.5 without filter change (dumb) and 3.7 Quarts with filter change.
January-20th-2002, 10:41 PM
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damn, I was hoping this was over, let's try to calm the arguing down some. Nothing in this post is meant as a putdown, if you take it that way, then it's taken out of context.
Please point me to the dyno sheets for the protege intake comparison? I've seen the ones for the honda's but not the proteges.
Email me and I'll post them for you.
That was an example. The turbo is for another car that already has a factory turbo which is on its last leg and it needs replacing. Make friends, and help out with some tuner shops and they'll get you good deals on stuff.
ah, that's hard to ignore.... But, I'll leave it alone. :-)
Nothing, hopefully that is what we are all here for.
It sounds like you are doing custom work to try to improve the products that you have purchased. I commend you for doing that. However, it pissed me off that you were so quick to dismiss an idea before you even completely understood it. Which I'm not sure you still understand what I'm contemplating or why I'm contemplating that route. Which I'll now try to explain further:
The car belongs to me and my significant other. It's our trip car or weekend car and daily driver when I'm tired of driving the race car to work. I've had CAI's on cars before and I'm not up to having one a car that I'm going to take on 3-8hr trips. They have a tendency to be droning at highway speeds. If you don't mind that then the best route for you is the CAI.
I don't WANT this car to be loud and annoying. I however would not mind it having more power. Which is why you'll probably never seen me get an exhaust, but as soon as some real cams are produced I will have a set.
I also have my own "race car", which IS loud and annoying and I love it to death. This is the car that I spend my money on. It needs a lot of stuff done to it so that I can get it onto some roadcourses this year. Ie, a 3" exhaust, a rollbar, & a brake upgrade. The less money I spend on the protege, the more money I have to spend on my car.
Make more sense now?
Send me those pics and I'll post them. While you're at it do a writeup on how you can duplicate and I'll post that as well, that way others can benefit from what you've done.
if I can buy one for $230 and have Dyno tests to back them up compairing them to their competitors
but no one has shown me how to post the pics with out a web site associated.
especially a $300 rebuilt turbo
but it then became nonsense and I had to correct it.
Finally what is wrong with taking a good product and making it better?
It sounds like you are doing custom work to try to improve the products that you have purchased. I commend you for doing that. However, it pissed me off that you were so quick to dismiss an idea before you even completely understood it. Which I'm not sure you still understand what I'm contemplating or why I'm contemplating that route. Which I'll now try to explain further:
The car belongs to me and my significant other. It's our trip car or weekend car and daily driver when I'm tired of driving the race car to work. I've had CAI's on cars before and I'm not up to having one a car that I'm going to take on 3-8hr trips. They have a tendency to be droning at highway speeds. If you don't mind that then the best route for you is the CAI.
I don't WANT this car to be loud and annoying. I however would not mind it having more power. Which is why you'll probably never seen me get an exhaust, but as soon as some real cams are produced I will have a set.
I also have my own "race car", which IS loud and annoying and I love it to death. This is the car that I spend my money on. It needs a lot of stuff done to it so that I can get it onto some roadcourses this year. Ie, a 3" exhaust, a rollbar, & a brake upgrade. The less money I spend on the protege, the more money I have to spend on my car.
Make more sense now?
Send me those pics and I'll post them. While you're at it do a writeup on how you can duplicate and I'll post that as well, that way others can benefit from what you've done.
January-21st-2002, 01:31 PM
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Some food for thought...
I've saw an article on an on-line magazine about stock air intake systems and why they are so good...Yes, I said good.
Basically, the article said the basic argument that is going on here, engineers spent a lot of time and money designing the stock intake. Who did this at the after-market compnaies?? Most likely no one.
However, it also said that stock intakes usually have some amount of negative pressure in it. So, what do you do?? Run out and spend some $300 on un-proven technology? No, make a measuremtn device, and measure how much negative pressure is in your intake at various points.
Basically, what they found out is that *most* cars end up the same way. The stock air filter usually isn't the biggest problem. And, usually its the MAF, and where the air is being picked up. So, how do you fix it?? Not with a $300 intake. If you change where the air is being picked up often times you can get rid of the negative pressure.
Once again, some simple testing will reveal where to pick up that air. Is it that little hole that goes down into the fender on 3rd gen Proteges?? Who knows, did the company test that area?? Who knows??
I can post the links if you want so you can read for yourself. But, if you know a little bit, you know you don't have to spend $300 for 5 horsepower.
Basically, the article said the basic argument that is going on here, engineers spent a lot of time and money designing the stock intake. Who did this at the after-market compnaies?? Most likely no one.
However, it also said that stock intakes usually have some amount of negative pressure in it. So, what do you do?? Run out and spend some $300 on un-proven technology? No, make a measuremtn device, and measure how much negative pressure is in your intake at various points.
Basically, what they found out is that *most* cars end up the same way. The stock air filter usually isn't the biggest problem. And, usually its the MAF, and where the air is being picked up. So, how do you fix it?? Not with a $300 intake. If you change where the air is being picked up often times you can get rid of the negative pressure.
Once again, some simple testing will reveal where to pick up that air. Is it that little hole that goes down into the fender on 3rd gen Proteges?? Who knows, did the company test that area?? Who knows??
I can post the links if you want so you can read for yourself. But, if you know a little bit, you know you don't have to spend $300 for 5 horsepower.
January-21st-2002, 01:43 PM
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Hey guys just for a heads up, and to show what a little "planting a seed" can get you, here's some email between me and the guy at Ice-man.
My email to Ice-man:
> > I've seen the intake system that you make for the ford
> > focus. The one that keeps the stock airbox. I was
> > wondering if you have plans to produce one for the
> > Mazda Protege5. I believe that the Mazda Protege MP3
> > would also have the same fitment.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jason
His response:
> Hello Jason,
> Thanks for the heads up on the possible dual install. We want
> to look into that asap. I will be keeping an eye out for a mazda
> protege MP3 and when I can locate one I will check it
> dimensonally. If you know someone with that vehicle in this
> area please have them contact me asap. I will give them a
> free system and we will also hook you up with something or
> another for your efforts ok?
Anyone located near Bloomington CA 92316 and can volunteer their 2.0 protege immediately, please email me at jmauld@yahoo.com . As it says above, you will get a free intake system out of this. I imagine that you may also get a chance to put your car on a dyno.
As for you people who agreed with the "cheap bastard" part about me. Kiss my ***, and don't volunteer for this intake!
Jason
My email to Ice-man:
> > I've seen the intake system that you make for the ford
> > focus. The one that keeps the stock airbox. I was
> > wondering if you have plans to produce one for the
> > Mazda Protege5. I believe that the Mazda Protege MP3
> > would also have the same fitment.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jason
His response:
> Hello Jason,
> Thanks for the heads up on the possible dual install. We want
> to look into that asap. I will be keeping an eye out for a mazda
> protege MP3 and when I can locate one I will check it
> dimensonally. If you know someone with that vehicle in this
> area please have them contact me asap. I will give them a
> free system and we will also hook you up with something or
> another for your efforts ok?
Anyone located near Bloomington CA 92316 and can volunteer their 2.0 protege immediately, please email me at jmauld@yahoo.com . As it says above, you will get a free intake system out of this. I imagine that you may also get a chance to put your car on a dyno.
As for you people who agreed with the "cheap bastard" part about me. Kiss my ***, and don't volunteer for this intake!
Jason
January-21st-2002, 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by jmauld
StuttersC, was that article on autospeed.com? I remember reading an article that showed how to make a intake vacuum tester.
StuttersC, was that article on autospeed.com? I remember reading an article that showed how to make a intake vacuum tester.
January-21st-2002, 10:46 PM
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Can't post the dynos yet as they have to be offically released from injen per Tech Management and not on a website.
The man- I now that it is simple to post with a url but I do not have a website yet, although I do have a friend that hosts and we are working out a deal over glow in the dark paint in the next couple of weeks. Your are right about timing on the CAI if you do not plan on adding performance parts. I am creating a mix between race and show car.
jmauld- Congrats on Iceman as far as the airbox mod. As far as the pics I will post them when I seal the deal and have a website hosted Thanks anyway.
The man- I now that it is simple to post with a url but I do not have a website yet, although I do have a friend that hosts and we are working out a deal over glow in the dark paint in the next couple of weeks. Your are right about timing on the CAI if you do not plan on adding performance parts. I am creating a mix between race and show car.
jmauld- Congrats on Iceman as far as the airbox mod. As far as the pics I will post them when I seal the deal and have a website hosted Thanks anyway.
January-26th-2002, 07:37 PM
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lol....is that a leaf blower? My friend's intake on his saturn is really a filter made for a civic stuck on the end of his intake tube. He even left the snorkel on their, thinking it may feed more air to the filter.
August-22nd-2002, 11:46 PM
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I did this to my friends car.
I took out the ram-air resonator which sits above the readiator out, then took out the water catch piece and left him with just a hole going into his stock box.
You can feel and hear the difference immediately. The car is more responsive and makes it a little funner.
Tomorrow we are turning it back into a ram air but the ram air will be in the fender instead of on top of the radiator.
I figured this would give more horses because the stock setup has 2 small holes for the air to come in. Well, its pretty much blocked up when the hood is closed. So I said, "hey, lets make the hole bigger." Now he has 1 ~2.5inch hole for air to come in and you can tell it helps the engine breathe better. If you step on the gas, you could suck up a bird
I drive an Accord (Ahhhh!!!!) and am going back from an expensive intake to the stock box with the same setup adding ram-air. Forcing the air in the engine. On top of that, it will already be colder and denser because its in the fender.
So if your looking for a free intake that's better than stock, take the resonator off.
-->David
I took out the ram-air resonator which sits above the readiator out, then took out the water catch piece and left him with just a hole going into his stock box.
You can feel and hear the difference immediately. The car is more responsive and makes it a little funner.
Tomorrow we are turning it back into a ram air but the ram air will be in the fender instead of on top of the radiator.
I figured this would give more horses because the stock setup has 2 small holes for the air to come in. Well, its pretty much blocked up when the hood is closed. So I said, "hey, lets make the hole bigger." Now he has 1 ~2.5inch hole for air to come in and you can tell it helps the engine breathe better. If you step on the gas, you could suck up a bird
I drive an Accord (Ahhhh!!!!) and am going back from an expensive intake to the stock box with the same setup adding ram-air. Forcing the air in the engine. On top of that, it will already be colder and denser because its in the fender.
So if your looking for a free intake that's better than stock, take the resonator off.
-->David
August-23rd-2002, 12:58 AM
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I know this is probably evil on this thread, but I took out the airbox (ahh). I bought a 3" rubber elbow from Home Depot and a cone filter. I did have to move my radiator overflow, but I made the elbow curve from the intake tube around to point at the driver's side. I put the cone filter on the end of that, and made a hole for the map sensor. The filter is shielded from below from water splashing be a frame member in there, and it's behind the headlight and on the very edge of the engine compartment. It pulls better from about 3500 up and is a lot less restricted on the top end. I can definitely feel the difference. It is louder, but I love intake sounds. It's sort of a combination of keeping the piping about the same length, doubling the surface area of the filter, and keeping it out of the water. Just my simple thirty dollar idea.