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Ole Blue, Good for another 100k...

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Old October-27th-2002, 11:45 PM
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Talking Ole Blue, Good for another 100k...

Well, with the generous help of David Avard, i now have (hopefully) solved the oil leak thats been plaguing me.

We did the timing belt, water pump, drive belts, VC gasket, cam seals, dist O ring and the passenger side axle, oh and a new radiator cap. Not too bad for a days work.

We opted not to do the crank seal, A) wasn't leaking, B) no gear puller. It was a rather simple process, to my suprise. The exhaust cam seal was an obvious culprit for a good part of the leak. Oh and the drive belts, man....how they didn't break yet, is a miracle....But the timing belt looked brand new and still in great shape. Now, when we pulled off the water pump, we couldn't beleive our eyes....uhhhh, where's the impeller? uhhh, it's just a flat plate...WTF? OMG how the hell was that thing even moving water, how didn't any passage ways get clogged, and why wasn't the engine overheating? wow, how strange...i'll post a pic of it tomorrow. (too far to go down to the garage now and get it...i'm still alttle buzzed from the 3 cans of brake cleaner and wonderfully scented sludge from my radiator. ok 2 cans of cleaner and 1 can of chemical scented water...) I may have gained a few hp by just having an actual impeller on the water pump

BTW, i used all OEM parts, except for the axle, if anybody needs part numbers.

The drive home was a good test, typical LA traffic. temp needle stayed put, engine felt and ran perfect since first start up. I went easy on it to let the belts settle in.

I must say i'm jealous of David's daily drive up/down Mullholland

Thanks again David, for all your help today!

David: What's that dripping?
Darryl: huh? oh ****, catch pan!
David: whoosh, grab, woosh, slide under...
Darryl: Ya, makes sense, i just loosened up the water pump
David: uhhh, ye-ah.
Darryl: <shrug>
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Old October-28th-2002, 12:27 AM
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Re: Ole Blue, Good for another 100k...

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Thanks again David, for all your help today!
You're welcome. Glad to help.

But why does everyone's car I work on have to be soooooooo oily. I should get the rest of the oily dirt out from under my fingernails sometime next week.
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I must say i'm jealous of David's daily drive up/down Mullholland
It's too bad that beyatch in the Accord kept me from getting off the freeway and going up Sepulveda. Now that's a fun road.
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Old October-28th-2002, 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by Protegé Menacé
My protege doesn't need much work


is that a good thing or a bad thing?
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doesnt need work or you just havent noticed yet?
Hye, he's got a new one. My '90 Protege didn't require anything other than oil changes and tire rotations (and replacements) for the first 3 years and 60k miles.
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ok, here's the pic of the water pump. For those that have never seen one, the wheel in the center should have another one and fins sandwhiched inbetween (think of a brake rotor with the cooloing fins inbetween the pad surfaces)

i call it the water mixer, as it could never pump anything anymore
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pic #2

(wow i almost really f**ked up, i deleted a post i made, couldn't get the attachment to work properly and realized as i clicked....DOH! the whole thread will die, as i was the thread starter....well, i saved it...phew)
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sounds AND looks like you NEEDED that stuff done! good to hear 'ole blue' is ready for more cones....
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Sepulveda kicks *** when crossing over from or to the San Fernando Valley...I use to run that street in my '84 Saab Turbo early in the mornings...then I would cruise into Tommy's over on Roscoe near Sepulveda...damn I miss Los Angeles.

Glad to hear the ride is in better shape now...that water pump looked fugly.
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cablemirc....your...car....looks....like...mine... ..


and your sig looks like the way David (Fyrelance) made the intro pic for my car...

wow, sorry, I know that's off subject :-)


Originally posted by cablemirc
Ha! hey Daryll & David, wanna do it again? all the beer (or whatever.. pizzas, etc)'s on me!
got rear main seal leak (seeping), oil pan gasket leak and a cam gasket leak. the latter two are easy.. but timing and the whole nine yards... ugh!~.. honestly, i have'nt even checked the condition of the timing belt yet.. need to throw a new one on anyways, God only knows how long this one's been in here. should be fun to tear up a 247,000 mile protege!



i say we pack a bit more grease under there first!

i'm doing either both my boots, or both my axles within the next week or so to get rollin again. anytime after i can safely drive again would be fine by me.

besides, i'd just LOVE to get together with you two for some garage time. sounds like fun to me!

EDIT: if you guys think my car would make it up there with torn boots, i'm game for a dual-axle replacement. i buy parts, beer, pizza, soda or whatever. i'll bring digi-cam, laptop, gear-puller, and *ahem* copies of the 1st gen shop manual on cd-rom. if anyone has a video camera, we can even spring for a video howto! i have everything here i need to encode video for the computer.

EDITx2: i live in an apartment complex, therefore, if i don't "buddy up" to do the work, i have to pay a shop *shiver* to do it. working on your car in the parking lot is grounds for 30-day notice. wtf-ever.. lol
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