4WD Protege questions
May-27th-2002, 01:38 AM
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4WD Protege questions
Some questions about the 4WD protege we got here in Canada (and the US too I think?)
-Are the floor pans actually different from the FWD protege? I've read some confilicting info on here....
-It came with the SOHC motor, correct?
-Are the transmission and differentials the same as the protege GTX found in Japan? ie, will it hold up to a modded GTX engine swap...(this is probably a dumb question... doubt they'd actually make a weaker drivetrain for the north america bound 4WD n/a powered protege)
-Anyone know what the gear ratios are like in it? (hopefully it keeps the revs a bit lower then the FWD proteges)
-Last question for now
.... anyone have a 4WD protege for sale in southern ontario? 
By now you can see my plans for a killer sleeper.
-Are the floor pans actually different from the FWD protege? I've read some confilicting info on here....
-It came with the SOHC motor, correct?
-Are the transmission and differentials the same as the protege GTX found in Japan? ie, will it hold up to a modded GTX engine swap...(this is probably a dumb question... doubt they'd actually make a weaker drivetrain for the north america bound 4WD n/a powered protege)
-Anyone know what the gear ratios are like in it? (hopefully it keeps the revs a bit lower then the FWD proteges)
-Last question for now
.... anyone have a 4WD protege for sale in southern ontario? By now you can see my plans for a killer sleeper.
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May-27th-2002, 11:12 AM
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1. Not sure about the floor pans, but I believe they're the same. But don't hold me to it.
2. Yes, they all came with tiny engines. Most came with automatic, too, at least here in the States.
3. I don't know if they'r the same, but I know people that have done both 1600 and 1800 turbo swaps successfully. There's a GTX swap in my little hometown, I believe he's a member of this list, name of Frank.
4. Not sure.
If you do a seach for AWD Protege on this list you should find a bunch of information, and there's some posted on the web, also. It's a good swap and will make a killer car. Go for it!
tom
2. Yes, they all came with tiny engines. Most came with automatic, too, at least here in the States.
3. I don't know if they'r the same, but I know people that have done both 1600 and 1800 turbo swaps successfully. There's a GTX swap in my little hometown, I believe he's a member of this list, name of Frank.
4. Not sure.
If you do a seach for AWD Protege on this list you should find a bunch of information, and there's some posted on the web, also. It's a good swap and will make a killer car. Go for it!
tom
May-27th-2002, 05:43 PM
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Modded Pro
that would be awsome...a modded pro as it is is a sleeper....b/c no one expects our cars to be so quick....let alone a modded... 180+ hp awd pro....the thing would grip like a ***** and pull off the line....before they could even drop the clutch...do it man ....it would be killer...
May-27th-2002, 06:08 PM
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Re: Modded Pro
Originally posted by jgoertzen
that would be awsome...a modded pro as it is is a sleeper....b/c no one expects our cars to be so quick....let alone a modded... 180+ hp awd pro....the thing would grip like a ***** and pull off the line....before they could even drop the clutch...do it man ....it would be killer...
that would be awsome...a modded pro as it is is a sleeper....b/c no one expects our cars to be so quick....let alone a modded... 180+ hp awd pro....the thing would grip like a ***** and pull off the line....before they could even drop the clutch...do it man ....it would be killer...
4WD pro with ~300hp would be killer...
Be fun to see the look on the face of someone in a vette, z28, or whatever, when a fairly plane protege pulls on him
May-28th-2002, 01:22 PM
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Jesse,
is there any detailed info that shows the differences in the floor pans? just curious...as i recently discoverd that the blank switch next to our dimmer switch is infact the 4wd diff lock switch, not the 2wd/4wd that i thought it was. (dunno why i thought that exactly, but i did know it had to do with the 4wd system)
Superdave,
I think your best bet for a even better sleeper is to find a 323 GTX sedan 1988-89. These are much more abundant and came with the 1.6L B6T turbo motor, which has many aftermarket parts that are easily available. the B6T can be made quite powerfull. Sure not the nice styling our G1 Proteges have, but its AWD, turbo and pretty lightweight....and you wont't have to take a second mortgage to perform the swap (that is, if you don't find an AWD Protege) hell pull the GTX badges and you've got a totally sleeping 323 sedan...nobody will look twice...until they see taillights...
is there any detailed info that shows the differences in the floor pans? just curious...as i recently discoverd that the blank switch next to our dimmer switch is infact the 4wd diff lock switch, not the 2wd/4wd that i thought it was. (dunno why i thought that exactly, but i did know it had to do with the 4wd system)
Superdave,
I think your best bet for a even better sleeper is to find a 323 GTX sedan 1988-89. These are much more abundant and came with the 1.6L B6T turbo motor, which has many aftermarket parts that are easily available. the B6T can be made quite powerfull. Sure not the nice styling our G1 Proteges have, but its AWD, turbo and pretty lightweight....and you wont't have to take a second mortgage to perform the swap (that is, if you don't find an AWD Protege) hell pull the GTX badges and you've got a totally sleeping 323 sedan...nobody will look twice...until they see taillights...
May-28th-2002, 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
3) different tranny, and its weak....i wouldnt trust it with boosted use.
3) different tranny, and its weak....i wouldnt trust it with boosted use.
mazdaspeedwest: 323 GTX's are bank up here for one that is road worthy.
(/edit: Sedan? I've only ever seen a 2 door hatchback GTX?)
If only mazda put the GTX drivetrain in the 4WD pro we got here... so much for the sleeper idea. Guess I'll sink my money into a TII.
Thanks for the info guys!
May-28th-2002, 08:32 PM
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Guys, are we sure that it has a 'weaker' tranny?
It is a G series - instead of the DOHC G5M-R, it uses the G5MX-R....i believe the clutch disc is a lil larger than the DOHC...
and for Edwin's sake, the forum FAQ lists the ratio's
and for Edwin's sake, the forum FAQ lists the ratio's
May-28th-2002, 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by superdave
Weaker tranny? Well there goes that idea. I guess thats one of the reasons I havent seen it done on here....
mazdaspeedwest: 323 GTX's are bank up here for one that is road worthy.
(/edit: Sedan? I've only ever seen a 2 door hatchback GTX?)
If only mazda put the GTX drivetrain in the 4WD pro we got here... so much for the sleeper idea. Guess I'll sink my money into a TII.
Thanks for the info guys!
Weaker tranny? Well there goes that idea. I guess thats one of the reasons I havent seen it done on here....
mazdaspeedwest: 323 GTX's are bank up here for one that is road worthy.
(/edit: Sedan? I've only ever seen a 2 door hatchback GTX?)
If only mazda put the GTX drivetrain in the 4WD pro we got here... so much for the sleeper idea. Guess I'll sink my money into a TII.
Thanks for the info guys!
May-28th-2002, 10:18 PM
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Re: Guys, are we sure that it has a 'weaker' tranny?
Originally posted by protejay
It is a G series - instead of the DOHC G5M-R, it uses the G5MX-R....i believe the clutch disc is a lil larger than the DOHC...
and for Edwin's sake, the forum FAQ lists the ratio's
It is a G series - instead of the DOHC G5M-R, it uses the G5MX-R....i believe the clutch disc is a lil larger than the DOHC...
and for Edwin's sake, the forum FAQ lists the ratio's
oops
at least I didn't start a thread asking for the ratio's, its not that bad... 
May-28th-2002, 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by mazdaspeedwest
the sedan may have been a GT model, but still AWD and still the same B6T turbo motor. The factory alloys give it away, as it looks like a sporty little devil.
the sedan may have been a GT model, but still AWD and still the same B6T turbo motor. The factory alloys give it away, as it looks like a sporty little devil.
seeing as the 4WD turbo hatch back is the GTX.. bleh... assuming **** never gets me anywhere...-wanders over to autotrader.ca-
May-28th-2002, 10:46 PM
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HEY!!!!!
Is it -just- the tranny thats the weak point of the drivetrain? Or are the diffs weak aswell?
If its just the tranny, I could probably get one when I buy a BPT..... any thoughts on this... assuming that the stonger tranny is interchangeable with the weak ones we got...
-Dave
(haning onto the idea by a thread!)
If its just the tranny, I could probably get one when I buy a BPT..... any thoughts on this... assuming that the stonger tranny is interchangeable with the weak ones we got...
-Dave
(haning onto the idea by a thread!)
May-29th-2002, 12:21 AM
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Two things:
1) The US 323 GT is a 2WD, turbo sedan, the 323 GTX is the only AWD turbo.
2) Just the tranny is weak, the gears and syncros are physically too small to handle the power and abuse. The diff is just fine. Since the tranny is the same as the aforementioned 323GTX and there are lots of racing parts available, you can build it up quite nicely. Of course, you'll have to win the lotto or rob a bank first, but it can be done.
tom
1) The US 323 GT is a 2WD, turbo sedan, the 323 GTX is the only AWD turbo.
2) Just the tranny is weak, the gears and syncros are physically too small to handle the power and abuse. The diff is just fine. Since the tranny is the same as the aforementioned 323GTX and there are lots of racing parts available, you can build it up quite nicely. Of course, you'll have to win the lotto or rob a bank first, but it can be done.
tom
May-29th-2002, 12:24 AM
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well i looked up on centerforce.com and...
they list a 225mm clutch disc for the 4WD; a 215mm for the DOHC...both with 15/16" 22spline input shaft
so the tranny shouldn't be the problem, but maybe the rest of the 4wd stuff - the diffs, etc could be the weak point.
then again, temrich has mentioned Frank with his 4WD/GTX conversion....
so the tranny shouldn't be the problem, but maybe the rest of the 4wd stuff - the diffs, etc could be the weak point.
then again, temrich has mentioned Frank with his 4WD/GTX conversion....
sooo i didn't see his post before i typoed mine....
May-29th-2002, 01:31 PM
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I think this has gotten a bit murky, let me clarify with what i know:
the ORIGINAL BF 323 GT <86-89> is a turbo sedan, the BF GTX is a turbo 4wd hatchback. The BG Protege GT in canada is a 1.8 DOHC protege FWD with some extra widgets. We did get a 4wd BG protege, but they were ALL SOHC 1.8s, most automatics, you can replace the motor and tranny with JDM BG GTX parts and make it much stronger. As for the floor pans, from what derrick told me over the phone, the front cross member is actually 2 pieces on 4wd cars, the second piece is just sheet metal unibody on the FWD models. The gas tank is different, and the rear subframe mounting is different, these items arent a big deal, the hard part is making the steering rack clear the drive shaft and finding a way to bolt in the rear tranny mount <#4 i believe> that doesnt match up. a FWD can probably be made a 4wd without a huge ammount of effort, but its no bolt in.
the ORIGINAL BF 323 GT <86-89> is a turbo sedan, the BF GTX is a turbo 4wd hatchback. The BG Protege GT in canada is a 1.8 DOHC protege FWD with some extra widgets. We did get a 4wd BG protege, but they were ALL SOHC 1.8s, most automatics, you can replace the motor and tranny with JDM BG GTX parts and make it much stronger. As for the floor pans, from what derrick told me over the phone, the front cross member is actually 2 pieces on 4wd cars, the second piece is just sheet metal unibody on the FWD models. The gas tank is different, and the rear subframe mounting is different, these items arent a big deal, the hard part is making the steering rack clear the drive shaft and finding a way to bolt in the rear tranny mount <#4 i believe> that doesnt match up. a FWD can probably be made a 4wd without a huge ammount of effort, but its no bolt in.