200+ Hp '91 323 Se?
 

What's the most cost effective route in my pursuit of a 323 with 200+ HP? I have a '91 SE and I'm not sure what to do.

put in a bpt or kl-ze at corksport

you can also talk to Braden (Turboge on this board) from Barely Legal Transplants, he imports engines and is very knowledgable about the turbo set-ups.


http://www.barelylegaltransplants.com

What do you guys think this is going to cost? I heard you can't swap in a BPT into a US spec 323 unless you have something to manage fuel and stuff. Why can't you just use the BPT ECU and call it good?

You can. You can also use an ECU from a Protege LX, but it's generally not reccomended. I asked Braden a while back what it would cost to do a BPT swap RIGHT. He said upwards of $5k. The main reason is because you have to steal a lot of the parts from a Protege LX, ones that the 323s don't have, or wouldn't work with the BPT.

I'm planning on going KL-ZE, it's $4300 canadian for the swap including labor costs. I figure if I get that plus a custom 2.5" exhaust, ACT clutch, and a few other goodies, I'd probably spend about $4000. The KL series V6 is a SWEET sounding engine, plus I don't want to have to worry about possible reliablity issues with the turbo. BPT has more potential power I guess within reason, but a 13sec NA car (damn close to stock) is pretty quick for me.

$4k?! Damn. It doesn't cost that much to swap a third gen J-Spec engine into my MR2. No way would I spend that on this little 323. If I was tryin to spend that much, I'd just buy a GTX. Looks like I'm gonna stick with my 73hp or whatever these have and go down the "looks only" road. I guess I have the R6 for speed anyway.

U need a bpt-1200 shipped
Ecu around 450
Fuel pump-prob 150-200
intercooler-200 if u find a starion or npr and do ur own piping
lx transmission with axiles prob another 350-400
guages another 200

So ur looking at from 2500-3000 for a decent setup if u install it all urself. For 5 grand ur running a haltech with bigger injectors and bigger intercooler. i would think . When im done mine will be around 7000 with a GTR motor FMIC haltech upgraded fuel system and gauges. And u will need a stronger Clutch also ...Jon

Yea, unfortunately speed costs $$$. It's not like the domestic world of muscle where you can find hp just about everywhere for cheap. Hell, just an exhaust and intake on a z28 would probably be at least 20whp.

I'm possibly looking for a bike (my first), but I haven't decided if I'm going to spend money on that or just put it into my crappy little 323 :)

Well u could swap in a lx motor with 125 hp and when u get more money u can put a vj20 and turbo it ...Jon

.....or get a bike and smoke any car out there......:D

And crash a bike and lose ur arms and legs ...Have fun ..Jon

it's the same engine and it's just as much work....i suppose it could be done if in a pinch, but if it were me, i'd do what it took to do it right the first time.

besides, who says you can't throw in a B6T.... less money, less work, less hp, but that can be fixed. they are just as strong as the BP/BPT. You can find 200hp out of a B6T easy.

Yeah I have the bike for REAL speed. It would be nice to give my daily driver a little Unf though. I have the money to do a BPT swap, but I'm not going to spend $4k on it. I MIGHT spend $2k but that would be about where I draw the line.

I've heard alot about B6T's. They put those in Festiva's. What would it take to swap one of those in? It's hard to believe the BPT is the only option for 200HP.

It's not cheap to hook up a car. i think 2500 is cheap compared to people that spend that much on just the turbos that go on there cars... if u dont want speed dont worry about it

I just have a hard time spending four times what the car costs on making it go about twice as fast.