Ok well I don't like races stock for stock. lets see a modified cavi vs a modified pro go at it. I like the look to both but I'd rather have a first gen pro. Why more potential I think. I really don't know what potential the cavi has but I know what potential the pro has and i've seen 11.2 bp engines.

I thought the SE-R wad available with the 5-speed...But the SE-R Spec V came with only the 6-speed, plus more power...But if you could get the 175hp engine with the 5-speed box I wouldn't doubt it has better 0-X numbers...

6 speed sport compacts:

The first production sport compact with a 6sp. was the Celica GT-S (I think??), The the Acura RSX Type S, Then the SVT-Focus, SE-R spec V, and Tiburon GT-V6,( Mini Cooper S reached production last I think)...The last three came out around the same time, But each company probably new that other make's were working on one and followed suit...In my opinion the only cars that need the short ratio's are the RSX, SVT, and Celica...They have the high revving peaky engines that make good use of the extra cog and short gearing...But the tiburon and Spec V should have longer gearing with a really long 6th for highway cruising...Not close ratio boxes...

I just looked at www.nissanusa.com at the 04 SE-R and SpecV. The SE-R has the 5spd manual and 4spd Auto (that sucks down fuel) and the SpecV has the 6spd. For some reason I thought the Specv could be had with the 5spd.

Z24
 

My wife drives a '00 Z24 2.4L. Dealer says 175 hp. I don't think so but it has a lot of useable torque down low. I've beaten her (not literally) with my '99 ZX2 [hotshot air intake, superchip, B&M short throw shifter....] but I had to keep the revs way up there. Just traded the ZX2 for a P5, black with the sport AT (my clutch leg has an old injury that's just wearing away- oh, well). The block of the P5 starts out like its Ford counterpart but from there Mazda does much better with the torque (and engine noise) and the hp rating seems more realistic. The sport AT works well.

One thing about the Z24- resale sucks!!!! Fit and finish sucks!!! A word to the wise about cars with a lot of stuff for little money- check Kelley blue book for new, then resale on one year old versions of that car to see where the money goes! The P5 depreciates way less.

fks

Brand new P5. Window tinting tomorrow. Toss up between AEM intake and injen CAI (snow last winter in Southern New England has me concerned about the injen). Other mods whenever.

Re: Z24
 

When I treded my 97 Z24 the dealer gave me 4500 for it when I owed 6500. I paid 10000 a year earlier for it.

YO! Hey i joined these boards cause of Proto2k and I dont have a madzda, i have a 96 Pontiac Grand Am which was the first year grand ams had the 2.4l TwinCam. Its a good motor but does have its unreliabilities, as with any GM product ;). Minor bolt ons can push a J-body (cavvy, sunfire) to high 14's EASY, they run about a mid 15 stock and some hit lows with exeptional drivers. I enjoy the engine cause it does have a LOT of low end tourqe, and if you study the engine closer, it has one of the flattest tourque curves imaginable....it makes and holds peak power/tq for about 3700 rpms or so, which is why it pulls so hard. My car weighs a little more than a cavvy so its a little slower, and ive raced a MP5 and beat it, and i think i could take proto2k but wed never know unless we actually ran them. Overall its a good engine at 150hp/155 lb/ft tq, and it adheres well to bolt-ons. If you have any questions about the engine i can probly pretty well answer them.

Oh yea to clear up any confusion, GM had a cousin to the 2.4l that was 2.3l and came in the DOHC, HO, and LO version, the LO sucked so we wont get into it....the DOHC had 155hp and about 175 lb/ft i think, the HO was a beast at 190hp and somewhere around 215 lbft/tq....although through the years the the HO version fluxuated in power as they tried to make it more reliable....And if you ever see a 2.3L High Output W41, buy it cause osme GM owner will give you a lot of monney for it, they are rare....they put out more power than the 2.3l because of reworked cams, computer, etc. After the 2.3l Quad 4 ran its course and proved too unreliable, GM created the 2.4l TwinCam.....

Also, if you racing a cavvy and he has the 2.3l DOHC, it only came in it during 95, if it has Twincam its 96+ otherwise the Z24's had the 3.1 MFI....and yes, i HATE, HATE, HATE the 3.1 MFI, 3100, 3400....sorry but less than 4 valves per cylinder and less than two cams, and i dont care much for it....plus they all make pussy power at around 155hp, 165lb ft.......I call them the 60degreeVshits (as opposed to 60degreeV6) :)!

The 3.1 liter V6 was in 94 and back. The current Cavalier 95 on never had a V6 under its hood. The 3.4 V6 was in the midsize cars like the 1st gen Luminas and Grand Prixs.

Grandams came with the Quad four, or twin cam or whatever the fuck you want to call it long before 96. I know for a fact that they had it as early as 93, and the engine itself was around alot longer than that. There is very little difference between the "Quad Four" and the "Twin Cam" slight displacement differences and power output, aside from that they are EXACTLY the same. I've worked on both versions, and yes they are powerful engines but they are as bad as a Lada for reliability, well maybe not that bad, but they are also a nightmare to work on, same as the 3.4l 24 valve V6. They were given the name "Twin Cam" because "quad four" had such a bad reputation, it didn't fool anybody, and if it did, then they deserved to be fooled.

The 3.3 was kind of an oddball engine wasn't it?? They were only around for a few years??

A 3.3? I've never heard of that motor. I even worked for acouple of GM dealers. I thought the Skylark had the 2.8 in the 80s and a 3.1 in the early 90s. What year was your's?

LOL.....wow misinformed....the TwinCam and Quad 4 share a LOT of similarities, but are different on a LOT of grounds as well.....the Twincam never appeared in a grand am until 96, but the quad four was in grand ams from 88-95 in many differnet variants....HO, W41, LO, DOHC, etc.

the 3.1 MFI was in grand ams up until 95, in 96 they got the 3100 SFI, and now in 99 got the 3400 SFI (switching from 3.1 or 3100 to 3400 is a popular swap nowadays.) And the grand am had the 3300 in 92,93 but its proven to have zilch for aftermarket and was paired with a slushbox 3 speed auto.

um thats what i said....the 3400/3100 comes in grand ams all years (except pre 92) and i hate them, (3400 only in 99+) but i dont like any of those engines. They also come in malibus, aleros, impalas, minivans, lol.

its a destroked version of the 3.8 series one

O.k., so for my own knowledge, what are the diffs??

I really didn't pay any attention to GMs V6's besides the 3.8 in the GN and GNX. I paid more attention to the V8s. What is in the Beretta Z26? I know its a 6 but I don't know if its a 3.1 or 3.4. My cousin just bought one and he thinks he's all that with in.