whomped 02 Cavalier
 

Hi new to the forum. I have an unmoded 2002 Protege LX. Some preppy moron from my school thought his CRAPalier could beat me. Wrong!!!, he even had a 5spd and I have an auto, we both have 2.0L I4s. He whines still that I cheated somehow.

I've got a 2000 ES and my co-workers 2003 cav isn't even close to keepin up. I've got a K&N cai and that's it as far as performance. We've both got automatics and I even have a smaller engine (1.8L). The cavalier just sounds like crap when you rev it too. The Pro sounds sooooooo sweet all the way through the revs.

There's no cheating going on, just better purchasing skills.

The kid is a sore loser
 

i wasnt cheating but the whiney,preppy,jerk thought i was just because he thinks american cars are always best. I guess i proved him wrong.

you mean there are actually ppl on this site with autos?

....remember that 2004 Cavaliers with the 2.2L Ecotec are not that slow. 140hp. And, any Z24 is fairly quick as well with 150hp on tap. While it may be true that the Cavalier is not in the same league as our Proteges in terms of quality or handling, not all of them would be so easy to drag race and beat in a stock Protege. Just make sure your adversary has the 2.2L pushrod engine and 3-speed auto.

Well, Yes.....then we scare them away. ;) :evilgrin:

after seeing DaveB's auto-p5 on the race course I'm not going to discount them anymore.

Chevy farked up when they stopped putting the little V6s in the Z24s....best cheap car I ever owned...was peppy and handled great on the mountain twisties in Arizona :)

You know, out of all of the MANY cars Ive owned (wrecked most of them, but made me a better driver today) I have never owned a 4 or 6 cyl chevy. Thats because the 8 years that I ran the auto shop we had to fix them. It wasn't untill the 2000s that chey had a decent 4 or 6. Its been a while so I for get what they called it, but chevy had one engine that had the oil filter inside the oil pan! That was the BIGGEST POS that I have ever seen! I thought that was the end of chevy.
But as always they are making a come back!
And fellas thats what makes a good auto maker!
I cant wait untill one of you catch up with a Cobalt! Say what you want, but stock for stock you'll think twice!

Nah, I've driven the SRT4 and I know what a fast (cheap) car can feel like.

$/hp ratio the SRT4 pwns all.

Yes they do! And I hate them for that! Man I wished I had the money to WOMP my Pro!!!

Dodge is getting ready to release their factory Stage 3 SRT4 kit....300whp 325lb/ft.....bow down.

Its the $/ugly ratio that keeps me away. No doubt the srt4 is fast, but I just dont dig the body style.

yeah I agree it's a bit fugly but if you ditch the spoiler and drop it 2" all the way around they look pretty good.

....SRT-4 is quick. But the cheapo interior trim is brutal. How cheap is this? The rear windows raise and lower with a crank, but the fronts are power. Why not just make 'em all power? Cuts into Chrysler's profit margins too much. Same reason that there is only one keyhole to get into the car, on the driver's side only. Check it out, you'll see.

Ever driven one? Ever driven one HARD? I have. If you don't know what torque steer is before driving one of these monkeys, you sure will afterwards. Sure, it's at least four grand cheaper than a WRX. But, it needs AWD to be livable. I can only imagine what a handful the thing is with 300hp on tap. The one I drove made 230hp.

But, who says the next car has to be fast and cheap? How about just F-A-S-T? A slightly used BMW 3-series sounds good. So does a WRX, which sells in the high teens in this area with just a couple of oil changes on its odometer. Both are much more substantial cars than the Neon SRT-4. Both have much more sophisticated handling. Both are slower in a straight line... but if going fast in a straight line is all that matters, go buy a Mustang!

You obviously havent driven an '05 Mustang...They handle very well...first new chassis since '79!!

I'm saying that best performance bang for the buck is the SRT4. No'one says "chevy cavalier" and thinks of interior quality and refined handling....it just doesn't happen. And the Cobalt is a re-skinned cavy.

Torquesteer on the SRT4?? Yeah I noticed some...about as much as my msp had. It was VERY liveable especially considering the 04+ models have LSD stock.

I admit the interior is a little cheap on the neon but what do you expect when you're buying an econo-car with that kind of performance?? It's not going to have suede seats or hand stitched leather interior.

As for the rear windows being cranks...it was done as weight savings,...not cost savings.


p.s. the 05 Stangs are going to be lighting up some fools. With the popularity behind the mustang and the HUGE aftermarket it won't be a month after release before you start seeing these things running 10's at the track.

Well...there goes the rest of the worlds gasoline.....thanks alot FORD!!!

??? you assume since the mustang is a V8 it's going to drink a lot of gas? It actually runs on 87 octane (300hp 320lb/ft at that) and still gets better highway mileage than my P5 thanks to the new cleaner burning / more efficient 3 valve heads.

P.s. I've seen newer corvette's get 38mpg on the interstate with a 6.0L motor.

Uh oh, did I help this one derail?

So many cars out there...and not a one of them totally 'perfect' in every way! I wish my little wagon had the AWD and turbo of the WRX but noooooooooooooo! I miss the rumble of my GT 5.0, I loved the Cavy's 2.8l v6, my Jetta was so much fun to drive and great on gas, and so on and so forth.


Did I mention that Fiat Bertone X 1/9 I used to have? It was yellow...and black ;)

I wish my car had a LSD and some thick-ass axles and I'd be happy.

Haha...yeah, it helps :bt:

You are right - I have not driven one yet. But I want to! I've heard the latest and greatest is competitive with not only other "American" iron (read: Australian GTO), but it's also a good car to cross shop if you are looking at the 350Z, and other 2+2 GT coupes. I guess I was referring to the old Fox Body car in my comment, which is kind of a wet noodle, but I have to admit that I still like the sound of a good V8...

no it's not..the Cobalt did actually get a new chassis, it's built off te same chassis as the Saturn Ion...I havent seen any numbers yet on handling to compare to a Protege, but I know they do better than the old Cavaliers 20 year old chassis

...agreed that a lightly stressed big engine can offer better fuel economy than a highly stressed small engine. I remember the fuel economy numbers in a Camaro Z28 being in the mid twenties, overall, during a long term magazine test. That's darned good. Run it wide open all the time, and those numbers will drop. Obviously! But for commuting, if you don't drive like a jackass every day, you'll sip gas.

You know what's really cool? Chrysler's 5.7L Hemi has a cylinder deactivation system that was designed into the engine. Spark and fuel are cut, and the valves are disabled by a pin sliding out of the lifter, which allows it to telescope (but not act on the rockers). This saves fuel at cruising speed, and results in a 10-15% economy gain overall. Unlike the old GM 8-6-4, this MDS system (as Chrysler calls it) is completely transparent to the user. And, we now have the electronics technology to make this kind of thing work reliably in a production car. GM is also implementing this kind of technology in some of their engines, but I don't remember which.

And a polished and ported head. And a lightened flywheel. And a big brake kit. And a set of Flik TDR wheels with sticky tires on them. And a set of aggressive street cams....and a thick stack of 100 dollar bills in the glovebox, with a rubber band around them.

...looks like you will be happy before I will!

I just want two hoes in the back seat and a womp under the hood. And Cut.
Can I Womp them Matty can I huh huh?

no seriously though. I know I am way behind but yes the new ecotech cavys can be quick. My buddy ran a 10.1 in the eighth, stock. To my 10.5 stock. I drove a '03 protegeby the way.

What model is you Protege??

Man, that Cavy must be pushin NNNAAAWWWZZZ!!!

i think the laser on the track is messed up. i have never seen a stock cav run low 10"s

the laser told the truth
 

My protege is a dx model and it does not matter what model it was they are all 2.0's in 2003. Unless you are thinking I may have had an mp3 and they are really no faster. But anyway, yeah this is kind of disturbing we did not expect him to run that fast either but he is a good driver. My friend in his 87 crxsi would get beat by about three car lengths when I raced him. But when the owner of the cavy got behind the wheel of the crx he was about 1 1/2 car lenghts behind consistently. So it is confirmed he is a good driver. But he still beats me in my pro on the street with his cavy all the time. This cavy is fast! So it is not the laser it is accurate. This is one of the best 8th mile tracks in the U.S. Some os the fastest proffessional drag racing times have been run here. The track is not much to look at but it is a fast one. Not all tracks are the same, some hook up better than others and all kinds of variables. What is your si running in the 8th? And what does your pro run in the 8th with those particular mods.(protito and the civic si guy).

Still not as bad as a rich guy witha stock corvette Z06 challenging my cousins "99 skyline V-Spec II.

What 1/4 mile time do u guyz run with 130hp P5 - 5spd?

My best run with
2000 cavalier 2.2L
115HP
5spd 2dr (non-ecotec)
This runs were with 205-55-16 Z24 rims

STOCK
R/T ... .754
60' ... 2.229
330 ... 6.840
1/8 ... 10.666
MPH ... 64.83
1000 ...
1/4 ... 16.714
MPH ... 80.38

CAI
R/T ... .591
60' ... 2.333
330 ... 6.830
1/8 ... 10.592
MPH ... 65.60
1000 ...
1/4 ... 16.541
MPH ... 82.10






I went with my buddey and his Z24 2002 150hp (5spd)
bone stock he ran
15.8@86mph
60ft 2.1





and here iz pic of my protege 2002 ES 2.0L 5spd
Write Off, Good handoling car very good, onley thing transimisions suck ass

my car (2002 protege5) went 16.21@84 with a cai i made out of f-350 turbo piping other than that its stock and thats the fastest i have went in my car (soo far) but stock my car would not go faster than a 17.01 and im a pretty good driver


Ryan

Smart man, but don't forget that they can go around corners too! The Mustang can be ANYTHING your heart desires. That is why iit is so popular and is such a great car/package.

barf..
there are like 64562462 mustangs for every 4 cars around here..its ridiculous..and 90% of the time..they all get smoked by some built sentra around here, or an old chevy..

maybe around your area they get smoked but come up to cincy and see what runs the streets around here and would probably run the streets down there because i know at least 3 mustangs off hand that are making over 1000 whp and are on the streets all the time and i like mustangs probably my favorite car and you say theirs so many of them because its a good looking car and easy to make power with on a budget just .02

95% = stock...
other 5% have a welded fart can and maybe some rims..its pitiful..

Well at my work we got a '03 saturn ion with the 2.2 ecotec engine. The cars just at a cold comp was running 225psi compression and it was N\A. Ecotec Engines are good and parts for those engine are cheap and avilable