P5 vs. Neon
 

A friend of mine just moved in with his cousin, who has a 2000 Neon with exhaust and a computer chip. I don't know how much hp the exhaust got him, but the chip got him 35 fwhp. Total, his car has 185 fwhp (showed me the dyno chart).

Naturally he wanted to race (not to show off, just to see what a P5 does with minimal mods). So we pull out onto a deserted road, where a cop has literally never set foot nor tire. I guess he was in a hurry to race or somehing because instead of the normal 3.....2.....1.....GO! he goes 321GO! really fast. I wasn't expecting him to say it that fast so I wasn't quite ready. He launches before I do and backs off a little to let me catch up then stomps it. He pulled away a little bit up to 90mph, beating me by about a car length (maybe a little bit more). Yes, I lost, but his car has 185hpand mine has 140hp at the most. Not bad if you ask me. Plus, I wasn't even power shifting. Just the regular ole fast-action slappin at 6,500rpm. And, I wasn't able to launch at as high as RPM as I would've liked because he rushed the damn countdown.

What kind of chip got him an additional 35hp on the stock Neon RT engine?

It isn't an R/T engine. It's the model of Neon that has all R/T stuff except the engine in the plain jane Neon engine. The chip is made by AMX or something like that...

his dyno chart was :bsflag:. Even the R/T engine with a 35hp boost from a chip wouldn't dyno at 185. There is driveline and transmission loss so it would dyno at maybe 155 or so. Besides, his car is lighter than yours and would win with even the same amount of horsepower. At 155 at the wheels he would SMOKE your ass!

What's "power shifting"??? :confused:

yeah, what is that

When you shift without taking your foot off the gas.
It has its advantages.

Definitely NOT SMART in my opinion... I've seen a lot of guys trash their transmission that way.

There was no R/T package in 2000. So there was no R/T "stuff".

The only engine available in 2000 was the 132hp SOHC. The exhaust will give it up to about 5hp. The chip is actually the entire cpu. I'm assuming it's the AFX unit which will give maybe 6-8 hp. For a total of 145hp max. That would be around 110 on the dyno.

The only way you can get 185 fwhp would be to turbo the engine.

Only one engine I know can get up to 30hp from just a chip, and that's the VW/Audi 1.8t motor. Turbo engines typically benefit the most from a simple chip.

I haven't researched SOHC Neon motors as much as I would like, but I'd still bet that a 35hp chip is nonsense.

It's normally used when a car has a close ratio gear transmission. Or if you install a short shifter. Other than that, I wouldn't try it cause the RPM's will rev to high and bounce of the rev limiter cause the gear change wouldn't be fast enough

I agree, a base Neon only has 132hp. There's no way you can get 185hp (to the wheels) from that car without force induction.

Honestly, I don't know for sure anything about his car, except that is pretty damn fast, even with a huge sound system in the trunk.

Now he has a completely stripped '96 Neon with a 2.0L...that thing is FAST!

sweetprotege93 said....
sweetprotege93 said....
Hey "SWEETPROTEGE93" how did it go from not knowing what powershifting is, too were you've seen a lot of guys trash their transmissions that way.

:withstupi :stickpoke

Because someone responded and told me..... :rolleyes:

Actually you can get over 180whp on the Neon's SOHC. Takes a lot of work when NA, but people are doing it on Neons.org. (Cams, CPU, I/H/E, etc.)

There's some with the DOHC getting over 200whp. But the big thing now is the 2.4l swap.

I'm not saying you're wrong or anything. It's just hard to believe that you can gain an additional 70 horses from a NA SOHC engine.

From a stock engine, I can only see a gain of maybe 40 extra horses. This includes port/polish block, different cams, adjust timing, lighter pistons, crankshaft and so forth. Remember this is with a base neon engine WITHOUT force induction or spraying.

Even by changing the CPU can only add an additional 14-15 hp TO THE CRANK which may average out to 9-10 hp to the wheels. And that's if it's accepted and will work with the changed mods in the engine.

But I only see extreme racers doing that. bucause of the money involved.

Like I said, it's not easy. And racers are pretty much the only people doing it. I just wanted to say that it is possible.

The cpu does add around 10whp. It does work with other mods. The stock cpu is used when going turbo.

But, I just wanted to say it's possible. :D

Ok, I will adjust my previous statement. It is possible, just highly unlikely. Now days, anything is possible with cars. You can probably shoehorn a Mustang Cobra's engine inside a Mazda Miata or something. :cheers:

Anything is possible these days, for instance the ford focus and the V-8 conversion.

http://images.cardomain.com/member_i...109_8_full.jpg
Damn, just think how sweet it would be to have a compact car with a V-8. Heres the link for some more pics on the swap.http://www.tcf-v8-focus-conversions.com/Phils-car.htm
:yumyum: ;pee;

I can't remember where I saw it, magazine probably, someone put a 5.0 Mustang engine in a Miata.

There are Pintos with 5.0 V8s. There are V8 Beetles.

I once saw a Hyundai in SCC magazine with 2 engines. I think it used ethanol, too.

To sum it up, this is the best time ever to be an auto enthusiast.:)

There is one that ran at the track and got a 11.4 it sound soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo scary.

its prob an sx-t at least thats what i'm figuring since he said it has all the r/t or in this case i think sr-t crap but it has a regular old engine so its prob that gay sx-t.........of course sr-t's are gay too sooooooooo................:eek:

Well, there was no SXT package in 2000 either. Only Base, SE, and ES. ;) SXT i'm thinking didn't come out until 2002 model year. SXT is merely an appearance package anyway.

But getting back on subject. There's no chip that will give a Neon 35whp.

oh yeah your right i forgot about that:eek: ok but yeah thats what i meant since the sxt is only appearance stuff thats why i figured thats what it was oh well..........:)