MX-6 vs. Protege DX
 

My best friend finally moved back to Tampa from Illinois,and he's been talking crap about his old ass '91 MX-6....let get you guys opinion...I did some research and here's what I found..his stock 2.2 ohv rates at 110 hp his car weighs in at 3700+lbs..its got 150,000 miles on it and he's bone stock....My 1.6L DOHC rates at 105hp and I weigh in at 3400 lbs...ive got 34,000 miles on mine and I did run my CAI which definitely makes an improvement but I dont know how much..both 5 speeds..I think I can whoop his ass....what do you guys think?? :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

I beleive you have an excellent chance.....with the power to weight ratio very close like it is....its going to boil down to things like

the launch/reaction time
traction/tires
profeciency at shifting

so go for it...and HOUND HIS ASS when you beat him. :{D

Hmmm... Your numbers are a bit off...

1991 Mazda MX-6 DX
2.2L SOHC I-4
110 hp
130 ft-lbs
2,560 lbs

2000 Mazda Protege DX
1.6L DOHC I-4
105 hp
106 ft-lbs
2,434 lbs

Are you sure his is just a base model? There's also the turbo with 35 extra hp and 60 extra ft-lbs. However, if it is a base model, you may stand a chance, but I would give the nod to the MX-6 just from sheer numbers. If his is a turbo... well, then you wouldn't stand a chance.

-Jerry

dont know where you got your weight numbers....we looked at the GWVR inside the doors and his read 3765 lbs and mine read 3425lbs..so I'll believe our actual cars vs your book or website..also I know about the MX-6 and I've been under the hood of his car helping him fix it...It's an LX as in NO TURBO..the GT was the only model with turbo...also I posted mileage for a reason...anyone who knows about cars knows that high mileage engines do not maintain their original compression,and lose some horsepower...so I think he's only got me in one dept:torque,and I suspect with 150,000 miles,and an oil leak,he doesnt have me by much...plus his clutch is slipping ;)

Well hell... if his clutch is slippin, you'd beat him even if he was running turbo. :D

Now, I don't think you know where you got your weight numbers from. GVWR stands for Gross Vehicle Weight Rating. That is the maximum weight the vehicle is designed for, including fuel, passengers, cargo, etc. Basically, this means your vehicle can carry another 991 pounds in it without going over what Mazda has determined is safe for the vehicle's suspension and brakes.

Where did I get my numbers from? I'm a certified Mazda Product Master.

-Jerry

Sorry but jstand6 is right the weight of a 91 mx6 is 2,615 lbs and its 0-60 MPH is 9.2 sec. A lot of times there are 2 sets of numbers on the door sil. One for curb weight and one for gwvr. curb weight is unloaded and in stock form. And that would be 2,615lbs. Just for reference my P5 weighs 2700lbs give or take.


Mazda MX6 LX:

Engine: 2.2 Liter

Horsepower: 110

Torque: 130 ft-lbs

Fuel Economy: 24/31 mpg

Bore x Stoke: 3.39 x 3.7

Compression Ratio: 8.6

Curb Weight: 2,615 lbs

0 - 60 mph: 9.2 sec.



And here are the Turbo specs

Engine: 2.2 Liter

Horsepower: 145

Torque: 190 ft-lbs

Fuel Economy: 21/28 mpg

Bore x Stoke: 3.39 x 3.7

Compression Ratio: 7.8

Curb Weight: 2,705 lbs

0 - 60 mph: 7.2 sec.

And check out how low the compression ratio is on the stock mx6. Can sombody say turbo upgrade.

really wasnt my point about the weight,but im still lighter,newer,and most definitely a better clutch considering my tranny got replaced 5,000 miles ago...not to mention I already nipped the turbo part in the bud,I've been under the hood of this car and there is no turbo...not to mention the LX MX-6 had NO TURBO...c'mon guys give me a brake here,I want an honest opinion,not to get flamed...I'll race him anyway and let you disbelievers know..

There's already 3 of us that said you stand a chance beating him... 3 out of the 4 people that have replied. What more do you want? We can't predict of course. I say it'll be pretty close, but it depends how bad his clutch is slipping.

Where are you guys going to race... how far, how fast? Better choose a long race to overcome his low-end torque and take advantage of your engine's better high-end.

-Jerry

I got 143,000 Miles on my 1993 accord wanna run? :D

Jesus, I'm rooting for the guy in the MX6 even though I don't know either of you, just cause you sound like a dumbass

I honestly think it will be a close race, but the mx6 might pull ahead. Its a toss up, with all the problems you say he has, you should beat em.

MX6 all the way
 

It's 1 year I have my P5. Before I had a 91 MX6 LX. I loved the 12 valve engine on the MX6....It just I had a lot of low-end torque...
The mx6 will beat the other one....

i'd say its too close to call.....now if he had a 93-97 MX6 LS with a 2.5 V6 then you would be in big trouble!

thanx for the support guys....

Support? HAHAH, uhhh no you are gonna lose, if nothing else its cause you have "Blue LED Squirters" installed on your shit. WTF? I'm sorry I don't mean to be a hater but those are turbo gay.

hehe no problem ;)

hey, make sure you get a good launch and race up to whatever is the end of your third gear.......

No Predictions, Just Opinions, Here!
 

I won't jump in with any predictions in a race, but will say that I always liked the MX-6. I still see many driving around town and I still think they look cool, even though they're not new anymore. They were good cars, evident by how many are still on the road...

By the way, just a point of random information: The MX-6 was built in the Auto Alliance International plant in Flat Rock, Michigan; the same place where they're currently making the 626, and where the Mazda6 will be built.

ProtegeMaster, the '91 MX-6 doesn't look that great. You're probably thinking of the sleeker looking ones that came out in '92 I think with the last one being produced as a '96 model. I always liked the look of them too.

first of all sweedenhouse you ARE a hater,I see it in your posts all the time...btw,I changed to white LED's they are legal....second I whooped his ass by a car length and a half....he started to get me off the line(had to be the extra torque) but as soon as I started to rev high in second(dont know the rpms,no tach in my dx :( ),I pulled hard on him,then when i shifted to third i pulled away and all he saw was tailights....again thx for your support guys.....:the finge -haters!

Hah no, I'm not a hater. I just like to get reactions out of people, and I cant help it if I say what's on my mind. I don't hold back what I have to say to spare someone their feelings. If someone has a ride that I think is sweet I'll compliment. If I see somehting that I think is crap, I let people know my opinion. And its just that my opinion. So if being able to freely express what I think and feel, makes me a hater, well then whatever, by your definition I guess I'm a hater.

Anyway congratulations on your win, but those washer lights are still rice.

rice-a-roni!! :p

You're Sure?
 

My understanding is that the MX-6 was, appearance wise, unchanged from 1990 to 1992. It was redesigned for the 1993 model year. Anyway, it is this particular model that I was talking about-- I like their looks. The '93-'97 MX-6 was okay, I guess, but I think it looked too much like a friggin' Ford Taurus. Too "bubble" looking, in my opinion. Yeesh... :thumbs do

Yes we are so happy for you that you defeated a car that is breaking down :p His car in good condition (which we all assumed) would have prolly beat you, but since he had an oil leak amongst other things, I would hope that you won :D

:fu:-haters!....everybody has to flame...geez...dont even know why I'm responding....man I wish I still had my 280Z..I'd smoke that POS Honda of yours all day...but I wanted reliable,and although that straight 6 cranked every time,that car didnt want to stop too well..overweight-a$$ POS Accord...:squint fi:fu:

:rofl: I have a 93 hatch sitting in my garage that I just built with a JDM H22a (Prelude Vtec) and a GReddy T4 Turbo pusing 16 lbs of boost. I could turn the boost down and eat your wittle 280Z all day long. We are just messing with you, but since you had to get all bitter and start dissing my car. What about your current car? Wanna run? My overweight POS Accord would rape your current car ALL DAY LONG.

geez....you spent tons of money on a car worth all of..wait lets see,my black book lists you at...ok here we go $2500...ok If I really want to beat your a$$,I'll go back and stick with the 280Z....John @ Z-Docs tells me he can swap in a Chevy 350 for about $1000....so $1000 for a good condition '78 280Z with no motor,about $1000 for the 350 with auto tranny,and another $1000 for the install...no turbo,no FI period,probably even less hp...but thats a total of $3000 for the whole job and I have a car that will run the 1/4 in 10 flat....but issuing challenges to a little 1.6L DX with any turbo...now that takes REAL brass balls:rolleyes:

$3000 for a FI 350? haha Do you plan on doing any internal work at all? Or just go FI on the stock internals? That will last about a week :rolleyes: I doubt your stock 280z could take my accord, I ran a 13.8 about a month ago, your 280z wont hit that without the V8 swap. I know the 280z has potential for a huge motor swap, but lets be realistic save your $3000 and soon to be blown motor and buy an LT1. As for my $2500 9 second hatch sitting there, blue book means nothing on a modded car, dumbass :rolleyes: :D If people sold their cars for blue book I could prolly get your little 280z for less than the 93 hatch :D It takes brass balls to talk about cars that you "had" and try to pick races with a overweight accord :rofl:

oh wait, im sorry, I assumed you were going FI :rofl: Even better, nice try with what you "heard" on another forum , but a stock 350 in a 280z aint gonna run 10's :D

actually I didnt "hear" anything on a forum...Z-Docs is a local shop in Tampa..they sell/work on Z cars specifically-hence the name...he has a V-8 swap in a 260Z (and dont dare argue with me about the 260 part,that's what it is,I know way more about Z's than pro's)...I know the owner John and he runs 10's all day,no forced induction just a stock 350..granted it was rebuilt recently..sh!t I bet he'd let me borrow it just to shut you up...btw the V-8 isnt a potential swap,its been done so long that there are at least 3 companies that offer a swap kit,with motor mounts,tranny mounts,new rad,adaptor for you speedo and new driveshaft..its an easier swap than any POS honda swap

Rebuilt as in upgraded internals, actually put mods on it? I find it very hard to beleive a STOCK 350 can run 10's in that car. Better swap than any POS honda swap eh? doubtfully, when you start slinging Domestic motors around which already lack quality you run into more probs than you ever will with swapping honda motors. Also, seeing that you don't do any of your work your word means shit, you are going by word of mouth rather than experience :rolleyes: I am going by experience, borrow his 260z if he runs 10's thats fine, I ran a 9.50 running boost, I can easily spray a measily 100 shot and drop into the 8's..I never was too good in math, but I believe thats 2 seconds faster than your 10 second Z with the stock 350 :rolleyes: :D

:bsflag: ...what is this a :piss: ing contest....running boost you can run a 9.5....my a$$!!!...btw I never said better I said EASIER...and obviously you know nothing of domestic engines and muscle cars....in a straight line theyll smoke you all day...and unless you have everything in you interiot but 1 seat stripped theres no way your running 9's

I thought we were talking about straight line racing :confused: I beleive that when your pushing 500+ Hp to the wheels on a car that weighs next to nothing (HP to weight ratio) you can run that time, hell I did it :rofl: :D Stock for Stock I would hope a big block V8 could take on the 17 second motor that comes in my hatch :D Pissing contest? By far, you opened your mouth and started dissing my car, I am just stating facts.I would raise the BS flag on your 10 sec stock 350 in your 280z but Its not worth taking up the screen, I already have a badass car in my sig that takes up the screen :cool:

I think the v6 will have more tourque so that may give him a advantage even though he has a heavier car, mainly cause the 6 will have more stamina through the power band,,, i could be wrong but i doubt it
Bruce

You guys talking about the Nissan 280Z?
I dunno about the car in the straight road, but my brother's friends love it for its neutral handling balance and the ability to drift. Swap in a SR-20DEt and it makes for a great race car.

:wtf: first of all its a datsun 280Z....there is no such thing as a Nissan 280Z...second of all....V6 who in the hell is talking about a V-6..the stock 280z has a straight,travis is talking about a an H22 which is a 4..the 350 is a V8 and the MX-6 is a 2.2 I4...V6 wtf???...travis,we'll obviously never know but I still think a 9.5 in an accord is B.S....if you run such good times why not get in on IHRA and run it...

hehe its obvious we lost them, 9.50 is in my civic, and the reason I dont professionally (sp?) race it is the fact I can't afford to trailer it across the country, pay for hotels,expenses,etc. I build these cars for fun, and thats all. I say we call a truce, no need in arguing about this. We are getting nowhere and just killing any chance of becoming friends :( Truce?

okie doke.:p eace

::sigh::

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