MattyP vs Mustang GT...
 

Sorry Mike just had to do it to some local yokle.

I went out to Bama like promised to finish the grudge match. They were closing down when I got there @ 10pm so I headed home instead

Legal disclaimer ahead....

MattyP vs "FLAKGT" (03 GT, intake, exhaust, pulleys)

0-70mph MattyP by 4 lengths (I shut down when I got that far ahead and saw him still spinning)

30 kick - MattyP by 2.5 Lengths (shut down at a reasonable speed and was pulling when I did)

60 -140 - MattyP by a fender (I was walking away in 5th and he started pulling me in 6th. I shut down about 133-ish)


Me 3

GT 0

that's an interesting trend where the higher speeds you two started at, the less of a win margin you had. i'm not taking anything away from you, just makes me wonder about the power and torque bands of the two cars. does the Speed6 peak it's power or torque earlier in the revs or late like an S2000?

the win margins seem to indicate a nice thick chunk of power in the middle of the revs (for the MS6) and a trailing off at the high end. having driven a last gen (03 or 04) GT, though limited, i know they really get going past about 4000. so an intake and exhaust would probably bring more of that high end nature out, especially as it is a smaller twin cam v8. do you think this is the case or are there other factors that led to the trend in win margins.....or do just not care, because we can do that too.

you're exactly right. My car is prime o run between 3000-5000rpms. Anything over or under is either lag or inefficiency.

The mustang had a lot more power but was unable to put it to the ground in the lower gears at lower speeds. On the top end He was unable to keep up until I got into 6th gear. I was pretty impressed with how well I did and the kid I beat had no clue what happened.

4cyl ftw.

Its seems to be pretty common for mazda 4 bangers to have middle power bands like the 3k-5k that matty is seeing, cause thats what I notice in my protege(02 lx) too as well as the one i was driving today('98 es). Comments plz

good job.. you aren't stock though, are you ?

i can say for my lx 1.5, phals, once i'm hit 4000 it's a good time relative to 95 hp--the intake i put on it helps it breathe a lot better. the hp peak is supposedly at 5500, and thinking about it, it's generally the best between 4000-5500. so, not so much go in the middle due to the fact that it's such a small engine but i understand your observation.

i think, for the regular mazdas, tuning for the middle is good because most drivers aren't going to be driving their cars to redline a lot, so to cater to their everyday driving habits they tune for more low to midrange power for good traffic maneuvering.

i have a friend that recently swapped a 3gte (2.0l turbo 4 cyl engine) into his 1991 mr-2. before that he had a 5sfe (2.2l n/a motor) in it with a cold air intake. you talk about midrange punch with no high end, this was the motor. past about 5000, the thing just didn't move fast. shifting up, the revs dropped to 3200 or so and you felt the push again. of course he was an exhaust job away from nearly eliminating that problem. 240sx's are the same way.

right now my car only has a downpipe and intake on it.

Isn't that good for about 30+hp on that car though ?

according to CPEs dyno the catless DP is good for 28awhp and 30awtq alone.

good job ;)

SN95 mustangs are slow. My cobalt SS beat a few GT's. The new generation GT's are pretty quick, however.

whatever troll...we are talking about 99-04 Mustangs, not the earlier ones...Your Slobalt Crapalier SS will get destroyed from a dig by a 99-04 GT...roll racing might be even, but only ricers race from a roll...uncle bens or not

yeah, cobalts are jokes. My supercharged p5 beat one when they first came out and I was only putting down 160whp. Now I'm putting down closer to 260awhp...they wouldn't stand a chance.

lawl... cobalt ss? HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

so were you being serious?

I've beaten three '99-'04 GT's. My dream car is an '03-'04 Cobra. The 2v 4.6 is a dog. 4v is the way to go. BTW, I don't own the cobalt SS anymore. I'm stuck with an SUV and a slow mazda3. It's a great car, but it's not for racing fun. BTW, my SS dyno'd 231whp with GM stage II (3" pulley, 42lb injectors and upgraded factory ECU tune) and a K&N filter. I liked it because it had a warranty.
Also, before calling me a troll I also used to own a '00 GT w/ a V-1 Vortech blower @ 9psi. I only talk from personally experience, not absolute truth. Everyone has their own wins and losses.

post the dyno please. I saw some dork around here who yanked off his supercharger and put a small turbo on it and couldn't get over 210whp...it was weaksauce smothered in tard juice with a spaz ou jous.

p.s. you couldn't pay me to own a GM product....I'll take an LS7 powertrain in my FC3S though.

LOL I think it's funny how every forum I join bashes all the other brands. The Speed6 and 3 get trashed by GM guys. And you guys bash GM. To each his own. I'm a car enthusiast, not a brand loyalist. I've owned Fords Toyota's, and GM vehicles. They all have their ups and downs. And the "dork" who took his blower off to put a turbo on was an idiot to begin with. People have been getting plenty of power with the stock blower. You do know there are two different cobalt SS's right? I've never raced a speed3 but, I hear they are a good match for a stock SS. I've heard a few wins and losses from people against them. If you want "proof" of SS's on dyno's, track times, etc, just go to cobaltss.net and search.

yeah because 205bhp 200btq is almost as good as 263bhp and 280btq. :cool:

I thought about picking up an Ion redline when they first came out but after driving them I felt like they were nothing more than a gussied up cavalier with horrible interior design and GM reliability.

If the MS3 was such a crap car why does every magazine and auto professional rank it as the best sport compact on the road today in every catagory? Hell some even compare it to the Evo's and STi's....which by the way, from a roll will run very closely with if not beat.

matty... steele this friday? some buddies of mine want to go out there... i probably won't run, or i might :)

let me know!

/end threadjack

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA !!!

LOL i've yet to hear anyone compare an MS3 to an EVO lol I see you haven't done any research on SS's other than a magazine. Since you like to go by magazine's, look up SS track times, 0-60, braking, etc in MT C&D mag, etc. The car is underrated. It's 205 at 5600rpm. redline is at 6300 rpm. Power builds all the way to redline, it never drops off. Thus, it has more power than advertised. I'm not a magazine racer, I see my results on the wins I have. And I have wins against some decent cars

you win man...now race my 4cyl mazda6.

Gotta love bench racers ... a car isn't a set of numbers.

fixed it for you...

On the soapbox defending the car you didnt keep...nice...:bigthumb:

racing in a slobalt is like racing in the special olympics...even if you win, you're still retarded...

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=2493

wow they compare it to an sti. now for the cobalt

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...let_cobalt_ss/

to paraphrase - way better than the cavalier and then, direct quote, For all of this goodness, the Cobalt SS still doesn't quite have the athletic edge of the slower, less-refined Focus and Mazda 3. The Cobalt's electric power steering smothers most of the road feel, and the thick, vibration-absorbing rim of the steering wheel takes care of the rest. The SS is really terrific when you drive it fast, but there's magic in the Ford's communicative steering that the Cobalt can't capture.

man...they made a kinda quick car thats boring to drive. awesome

hahahaha, comedy gold.

how much horse?
 

ok so the other night i was driving home and saw an older GT mustang and reved at it and we went and i actually beat it by half a car or so idk i was goin 85 in a 40 so i slowed down how much horse do the 94 range mustangs have

225bhp.

must have been a bad driver i took it from a roll

depends, what do you drive ???

also, couldve been a V6 with GT bumper and dual exhaust...they are dogs

^ hm.. love how this thread wonders here and there :) played around w/ some older stangs myself :)

^^ O RLY? (sorry Natey :) )
https://www.mazda3club.com/racing-stories-28/mustang-gt-not-newest-ones-43942/

Nice cherrypicking articles to reinforce your views. If you hate a certain car you will onyl find people and articles that give it a bad review. The truth is, you and that roddimus person are ignornant of the car and only know what a magazine or commerical tells you about it. You call yourselves car enthususiats :nono:
Also, I used to own an SVTF and I'll say that the focus' steering is not better than the SS.
FYI, did you know there are two different cobalt SS's? Both have the same body kit, exhaust tip, rims, and badges. I'm betting most you don't even know that.

i looked at an ss when i bought my p5, and i bought the slower car because it w as more fun to drive, and was nicer looking. and ZOMG REALLY? TWOOOOOOOOOOO WHOOOOOOOOOO KNEWW!!111one. yes we all knew. i also had a cobalt rental and was not pleased. its an ok car for what it is, but it cant compete with its competitors, and as such its not even included in shootouts

That's really what Mazda is all about. They're honestly the only manufacturer (outside of Germany or Italy) that puts driving feel as #1 on the priority list, and it shows in every single car they produce. It doesn't matter what car you're talking about, or from what era, the Mazda in a certain segment always 'feels' better than it's competition. That's also the reason why they have such a loyal enthusiast following.

^^ well said. Even the 5 and MPV feel "stimulating" to drive. Though I don't like how isolated the 3's steering feels, it's lightyears more "involved" than the Corolla or Civic.

Mazdas are such a small segment of cars sold in the states, yet they make up something like 40-50% of all cars raced (not counting drag racing or nascar.. real racing such as autocrossing, road courses, etc). crazy

zoom-zoom for life! I've only owned mazdas, and I can't see myself owning anything else at this point. They're just a friggin blast!

what? me street race.. i know... :nono:

whats funny is the guy in the older mustang has bout about $70 worth of vinyl from me ;)

LOL I don't think you knew there's two different SS's. It's even harder to tell now because both versions now share the same wing. I like how you compare the base model cobalt to the SS:crook: I've seen a base model 3 and it was just as garbage as the base model cobalt. yes, the base model cobalt is garbage. I hated the rental i had as well. You guys really need to know your enemy. BTW, I looked at a speed3 as my next car but, after readin about the dude with his engine falling out, I think I'll buy a better car= '03-'04 cobra

I've sat in a Cobalt SS (supercharged) and it's interior was just as garbage, the panels were just as ill-fitting, and the ride quality was trash.

solid beam rear suspension anyone? might as well throw leaf springs on it while you're at it, cut some more costs..

Interior of SRT-4 is teh definition of garbage. The shifter looks like it belongs in a semi ..