03 Protege LX. Just the plain one.

Its the Focus with the new Mazda produced Duratec that you really have to worry about. If you have 2 to 3 mods then you can get into the 14's easy. Sorry to the 3's Ford likes to keep you under wraps. :winky:

Interesting that you decide to switch back to the Protege to argue your point...All I mentioned was the 3.....

How many cars in this class do have 160 hp stock ???? So what do you mean it doesnt come close to outclassing the other cars ??? You should consider the cars in the same class as a 3...Focus,Cobalt,Neon,Sentra,Corolla,Civic.....The 3's real competition is the Sentra Spec-V(the Spec-V was overrated from the factory btw),and the Corolla..until you bring in the SI,the Civic doesnt come close..Wanna see some track racing???....Do a search under speed world challenge and see what cars a Protege is matched up with.....

Wanna real race ??? I got another mazda......he-he :cool:

Im going to be comparing the 2.3 liter 3 to the top tier competitor from other brands. We could compare the base model to its competitors, but i want a comparison that includes my car ;) hmm lets see the cars in the 3s class shall we.:


Mazda 3-160 hp
Focus SVT -170 hp
Civic Si -160hp
Dodge Neon SRT 4-230 hp
Corrolla XRS-170 hp
Cobalt SS-205 hp
Scion tC-158hp

WHOA...look at the domination!

moving on,

LOL, im not trying to make a point to just you buddy, hence why i included the protege as well. I switched to the protege because a segment of the people calling the EP3 slow garbage where protege owners. The 110 whp Protege will get whomped hard by an Si driver. Its a fact of life. The 3 is a better match for the EP3 than the protege...i was just trying to point out the fact that some people in this forum HIGHLY overestimate their p5 wagons.

If the Si doesnt come close to the 3 , then lets compare numbers. The fastest i have run with i/h/leaky midpipe/intake gasket is 14.7@92 on all season toyo fz4s. Whats the average number for a 3 with similar mods? I have seen stock si's hit 15.4 at the track on more than one occassion. Show me a slip of a 3 running better numbers with similar mods and i will take my hat off to you. ;) Ive yet to see one at the track so i truly dont know what they do. I have raced a couple on the road, but thats an unfair comparison because, well i have more mods than the ones i have raced.

Show me a dyno chart of a 3 with bolt ons, heres one of an Si with the following
I/H/E/ECU

http://baper.com/~brett/dynosmall.jpg

As far as the spec v beign overrated....Definately not buddy. Have you ever raced one? Have you ever seen them at the track? They can hit 14.9@91 stock at the track with a good driver. That little 4 door packs alot of punch. My best friend has his modded with basic bolt ons on street tires. His car hits 14.3@96....pretty damn impressive for a N/A I4 with only bolt ons.

The protege in the speed world challenge is very well built, i will give you that. But the cost to make it that much a performer is WAY more than you would pay to make a K-series vehicle perform on the same level. Since you are into Speed World Challege, check out the Realtime Racing RSX. Im sure youll be impressive with Peter Cunninghams domination ;)

Im not trying to make you guys feel bad or inferior at all dude. I hate it when a guy comes into the forums i frequent and tries to act like he has the best car in the world. At the same time, i cannot stand ignorance, especially when the facts are clear (when comparing the Si to a protege). Like i said, show me some track times for the 3. I know it should run mid - low 15s. Its a good competitor for the Si when stock. hell maybe its faster. I came on this board to try to show protege owners that Si's are not simple pushovers like you guys were making them seem. The 3 is a MUCH more worthy competitor. Anyway im tired, im goign to try to organize a track meet at Austin like hughes412 suggested.

And as far as wanting to race another mazda, sure. But since you get to switch cars, then ill be using my strictly track use EF Hatch :)

Ill keep you guys posted on the Austin Event, it should be a good time. If any of you guys are in Florida, id love to try to get one organized here. Itd be alot easier for me to get a good group goign too since i do live here lol.

^^^^= me

i finally made a SN on this site lol

this is k20importtuner again...

you guys have to remember it's all about horsepower:weight ratio... if you take a light car like the civic and a motor that'll not only last a couple hundred thousand miles, AND responds well to mods, AND gets 25-30mpg while running 12s and 13s... it's gonna be a damn good car to have.

Now Idk how much your 110 whp(whatever's) weigh but the new Si is only 2300-2400 lbs, sure it's "heavy" for a civic, but if you're doing full interior AND STREET TIRES while running low 13s, imagine stripping and slicks+axles.

Idk if PapiTuyo posted this but someone wanted this up:

hrmmm , calm down everybody ... i think we both can agree .. both our cars are nice , mazdas are nice , civic's are nice



it just happens our si's are a little better MUHAHHAHAHHA


if you all need any ford emblems give me a hollar :fight:

define "troll".......

If you're looking for unbiased reviews of a mazda product don't come to a mazda forum. You will NEVER find me on a honda website arguing with honda owners over who's cooler.

This whole thread went downhill fast. One of the things I pride this site on is that we dont fight or argue. There is no way to avoid conflict when you have people like this coming over with the sole intent of trying to change peoples minds. I don't see this thread producing anymore beneficial information but out of sheer morbid curiousity I'll leave it open a little longer.

I work for a car company, so let me straighten you out a bit as to what is "in class"

First of all Focus SVT, out of production...SRT-4 is not part of the class, it's competition is the WRX STI, and the Lancer EVO,Cobalt SS is the same...once again,on a race track(a track actually has turns btw) is the real difference. And yes the rest of the class cannot compete. Also keep in mind technically the direct competitor the the 3s is the Civic EX,not the SI....and we all know where that one will go....the upcoming Mazdaspeed 3 would be a direct competitor to an SI. Speaking of Mazdaspeed, I'd love to hear you lie to me and tell me any model Honda that can match a Mazdaspeed Protege on the track,stock for stock :p .

S2K


p.s. Mac is right. The Si is their "performance model"....the Mazdaspeed 3 will be out at the end of this year (and not rolling on 15" wheels).

p.s. now we've been posted on the honda forums so their trolls are now here reading this thread.....it's only a matter of time until this one guy "guest" brings in 3 people...who in turn bring in 3 more....

this is why I considered this "trolling".

I was just going to point that out.
The Mazda 3 is not the high performace 3, it is the top of the line up for now. The speed version will be out soon and then well see how it matches up with the turbos and the High Output motors of the rest. Until then your compairing your HO car to owr if you will luxury car! And we still hold up to you with it.
Better watch out, your post just might come back to bite you in the ass!! :spank:

First of all guys, notice the tone in my posts

1. Not belligerent at all
2. Trying to be informative

I didnt bring any of these people here. Shit i even made a SN on this board to try to get the the Honda V Mazda thing going on.

oh and a model that can match a MSP...hmm GSR, CTR, RSX,ITR, shall i go on? lol

I dont think my post will come back to bite me. I simply posted the truth. The mazda speed 3 should be great. I almost bought an MSP when they came out and I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEE the handling of the MS Miata. Im not a mazda hater, but i cant stand for ignorance, specially when it deals with my car.

Anyway, well compare the New MS 3 to the 2006 Civic Si. That would be the fairest comparison :)

Still working on getting the track date started. Ill keep you guys posted

Who's fighting? Who's trolling? All I see is a debate that was orginally one sided until someone brought up insights from the "other side."

As far as what classes which car belongs to, I think it's a grey area. How do we classify these cars? according to price? size? power? maybe how many doors it has? It's a very grey area. IMO, I like to look at the prices and what people have paid for them.

a troll doesn't have to be belligerant to be unwelcome.

The honda guys have no reason to be here other than to argue or "debate". We're not going to change your minds. You're not going to change ours. Why not just leave?? This is going NOWHERE.

p.s. what determines a cars class?? are you kidding me?? Thats like asking where the horn fluid goes. Heres a simple test for you...go to www.edmunds.com . click on a "catagory" of car like "compact"....look at the models that pop up... there's your class.

p.p.s. "oh and a model that can match a MSP...hmm GSR, CTR, RSX,ITR, shall i go on?"...the only car in that list that is even made new anymore is the RSX. This type of comparison arguing is lame....let's race your baddest honda against any of our FD RX7's...since timeline isn't a consideration.

It's ok
 

The Focus RS will still beat ANY Mazda3 stock for stock no matter what they do. Ford doesnt want Mazda to have all the advantages and compete with their favorite car.
As for the Civic the new 06 Si looks good but all in all i'd still choose my Focus RS over it and your "minivan" civic any day of the week.

Focus RS Cosworth will take any of your cars stock to stock also no comparison lil Mazda3 owner and minivan civic boys. :bt:

Just so you know im in London, England and moved over here from the good ol US of A. Much better cars here. :bt:

From the look of things, I guess these forums aren't open to anyone but P5 and Mazda3 owners. what a shame... I know some great people with pretty sick P5s and Mazda 3s.. it's too bad they have to be associated with this close mindedness.

Car class.. okay.. i did what you said.. http://www.edmunds.com/new/type/coup...ex.choose..0.*

I guess the Mazda3 and the EP3 are in the same class as the COrvette coupe and the Aston Martin DB9. :rolleyes:

The Civic TYpe-R is still being made. The Integra Type-R is still being made.

And why is this type of comparison arguing lame? We are not comparing the baddest honda against the baddest mazda. I thought we were orginally comparing your Mazda P5 and/or Mazda 3 to the Si. After all, look at the topic of this thread and look at the forum this thread belongs to.. again :rolleyes:

no doubt.. the RS is baddass.. However, the 06 Si is not a hatchback.. the next Civic Type-R will probably debut next month at Geneva... and feature 250hp engine (so rumored).. and it will still be a hatch.

we have a long history of getting honda fanboys coming here and starting fights for no reason. If you guys aren't feeling real welcome there's a reason for it.

In all honesty this is a mazda forum and I could care less if a few random civic owners don't feel like we're being accepting of their l33t rides.

I still haven't seen any rebuttal from you regarding any posts made by any of the guests.. all you have been trying to do was to tell us to gtf outta here because u can't handle a little healthy debate between car enthusiasts.

I don't care which car is better and what not, but I enjoy a little debate here and there. It gets the mind going and one can learn a few things too.

But if it makes you happy, I beat Civic Si's all the time. ;)

Actually this Forum isnt for argueing about honda VS mazda...it is here for us to talk about our cars and others...thats why the "HOnda people" have their forum...so tehy can talk about who ever they want to...if you want a forum you can do BLAH blah VS blah blah then go to www.carforums.com and then post ALLLL you want to and makes all the arguements you want on there....b/c this gets annoying...this thread has went OT soo fast ist not even funny... what Im trying to say is the same thing is being said over and over...and this is something dumb to sit there and "argue" over back and forth..

I'm confused...and I still don't know what spark plugs to get. My Focus is alright too...




;)

You focus is awesome!! even tho it scares me a little bit..

You think it's scary now...wait till you see the brakes! :stickpoke This Focus is no longer in the same 'class' with my P5 I can assure you.

Pics! Pics! of the Focus!

Link clickage required*




*See Redshark Lounge




Last time I checked, the Focus, Civic, Protege, Neon, Vibe/Matrix, etc. were all in the same 'class'. Some sort of hybrid econo-sport-box-best-bang-for-the-buck class under 20k or such. Now of course you can have many different levels of trim in each particular model. There are base Focis up to the SVT level trim, base Pros to Mazdaspeeds, base Civics to SI models, right?


What were we arguing about? :squint:

In conclusion, the AE86 is still the best car ever.

problem solved....