I have lost all faith in our justice system
June-14th-2005, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Anarchistchiken
Are you serious ya ****** psycho? Did you just compare an alleged child molester (fucked up in the head, but nothing counseling wouldn't cure) to ADOLF HITLER!?
One may have touched children innaproprietly, which in this country of more pent up sexual frustration than the rest of the world combined, is a scandal in a box, just waiting for the media to exploit it. I'm not saying it's ok to do my any means, it's very fucked up but you can not tell me that you think that this was entirely wacko jacko's fault!
Who GIVES A **** if he did it or not?! If he did, he needs to go to counseling and get fixed, and not be allowed around children anymore. If he didn't do it, cool, good for him. The thing is, it's not our ******* business!
Worst case, he's sick in the head. He can be cured.
One may have touched children innaproprietly, which in this country of more pent up sexual frustration than the rest of the world combined, is a scandal in a box, just waiting for the media to exploit it. I'm not saying it's ok to do my any means, it's very fucked up but you can not tell me that you think that this was entirely wacko jacko's fault!
Who GIVES A **** if he did it or not?! If he did, he needs to go to counseling and get fixed, and not be allowed around children anymore. If he didn't do it, cool, good for him. The thing is, it's not our ******* business!
Worst case, he's sick in the head. He can be cured.
You have no clue how many children he actually touched. Most of them time once a molester is finally caught there are usually hundreds more that he touched that simply never came forward.
Second point. People that touch children, this is not a CURABLE illness, that just requires counseling. People like that are attracted to children the same way people like me and you are attracted to adults of the opposite sex(or sometimes the same sex)..It isn't something a phychologist can fix or change. You think he will stop doing it after this ??? No. It's in his nature. In fact now we have basically made it easier for him to continue. You should really do some research on the subject before stating something like that. The attitude you have is like it's really no big deal to touch children.
Third Point. " You can not tell me that you think that this was entirely wacko jacko's fault! " ??? Yes. It is. If he did not touch kids at all, would there be a problem here ?? No. There wouldn't.
Fourth Point: "The thing is, it's not our ******* business! " Yes it is our business. If it wasn't, it wouldnt be a crime to do it. Why do you think convicted sex offenders names and address are published for all to see ?? That way we can keep our children away from sick [fizzles] like Michael Jackson
Finally. Ask any Michael Jackson supporter this: " Would you take YOUR children to the Neverland Ranch ?? "
Me thinks somone apparently doesnt have children of their own.
I do. And I think my opinion is apparent.
June-14th-2005, 11:48 AM
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...I bet this isn't the end of it. MJ has an enormous ego. Afterall, this is the guy that compared himself to Gahndi and Jesus when he sought to demonstrate how others of similar stature were persecuted in their time. He also claims that the good ol' Peter Pan lifestyle and wholesome fatherly luvin' cured a sick boy of cancer. It's called remission to those of use who know better.
But anyhow, you can see that MJ is so far disconnected from reality, that it isn't much of a mental stretch for me to imagine that he thinks he will NEVER get caught after this episode. Therefore, I think he will probably do it again. And, flatly deny it again. It's a tragedy that some other kid will probably have his childhood taken from him, but I assume that like all criminals, eventually he will get sloppy. I think that is all we can hope for at this point.
But anyhow, you can see that MJ is so far disconnected from reality, that it isn't much of a mental stretch for me to imagine that he thinks he will NEVER get caught after this episode. Therefore, I think he will probably do it again. And, flatly deny it again. It's a tragedy that some other kid will probably have his childhood taken from him, but I assume that like all criminals, eventually he will get sloppy. I think that is all we can hope for at this point.
June-14th-2005, 11:57 AM
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I am only kept sane by a promise MJ said before this all started....
"Once I'm acquited of these malicious, hateful charges I will be moving to Africa where don't hate."
Good luck with that bitch.
"Once I'm acquited of these malicious, hateful charges I will be moving to Africa where don't hate."
Good luck with that bitch.
June-14th-2005, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Roddimus Prime
I am only kept sane by a promise MJ said before this all started....
"Once I'm acquited of these malicious, hateful charges I will be moving to Africa where don't hate."
Good luck with that bitch.
"Once I'm acquited of these malicious, hateful charges I will be moving to Africa where don't hate."
Good luck with that bitch.
LOLThe only thing I'll say about this is that if anybody who is upset about him being innocent, look at the jury, 8 of them were women, and 10 of them had families, one was even a grandmother. If anybody is going to go crazy about some guy running around touching children it would be the parents, but they all say their wasnt nearly enough evidence to convict him. Also, anytime I ever heard about the prosecution going to have a big breakthrough with a key witness, the next day I would hear it would backfire on them and actually favored the defenses case, so its innocent until proven guilty, and their clearly wasnt enough evidence to convict him....
June-15th-2005, 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by macdaddyslomo
First Point: Sick, is sick, who are you to say that one is worse than the other ???
Who am I to say? I don't know, maybe a sane person who knows their history? I don't know if you realized this, but Hitler was a little bit more messed up in the head than MJ. Jackson might have touched a few kids, but for those kids, (less than 1,000 even in a worst case scenario, I think you'll agree) their lives were not by any means ruined. If he did do what they claim he did, then they might have to go through years of therapy and possibly have some troubles being intimate later in life, but they'll be ok. Hitler on the other hand, KILLED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE! Millions! Do you have any idea how many a million is? Because most people dont. Most of the time, if it's past 3 or 4 people, it's just a statistic, especially when you have the luxory of looking at the statistic's over such a huge gap of time. To compare Hitler to Michael Jackson is just pure ignorance!
You have no clue how many children he actually touched. Most of them time once a molester is finally caught there are usually hundreds more that he touched that simply never came forward.
And?
Second point. People that touch children, this is not a CURABLE illness, that just requires counseling. People like that are attracted to children the same way people like me and you are attracted to adults of the opposite sex(or sometimes the same sex)..It isn't something a phychologist can fix or change. You think he will stop doing it after this ??? No. It's in his nature. In fact now we have basically made it easier for him to continue. You should really do some research on the subject before stating something like that. The attitude you have is like it's really no big deal to touch children.
Ok, I was incorrect there. I did some research, and you're right. Counseling can not supress an illness like this. But with the right treatment regimine consisting of drugs, conseling, and possibly other approaches, it has been proven that it is possible to almost totally supress a persons urges to commit these kinds of acts
Third Point. " You can not tell me that you think that this was entirely wacko jacko's fault! " ??? Yes. It is. If he did not touch kids at all, would there be a problem here ?? No. There wouldn't.
Um, I don't know if you've been watching the news lately, but according to 12 people who saw and heard actual evidence (a luxury you did not have) he didn't touch them. I believe the guy needs some help, because he does have issues, but I will take the word of a Superior court over my third hand observations any day.
Fourth Point: "The thing is, it's not our ******* business! " Yes it is our business. If it wasn't, it wouldnt be a crime to do it. Why do you think convicted sex offenders names and address are published for all to see ?? That way we can keep our children away from sick [fizzles] like Michael Jackson
Oh ok. Gosh, I'm so sorry I mis-said that. Gaw, what was I thinking. Ok, so you're saying that it is our business to be kept real time informed of this invasion of a private citizens life because there's a dnger you might someday move in next door to him? Or are you saying he might move to your neigborhood and pick up your kids? Oh but wait! You're whole argument is moot because he wasn't convicted!
But stepping aside form the logic of it, you said "That way we can keep our children away from sick people like MJ." Seriously? You're saying that you wouldn't notice if Michael Jackson walked up to you and asked if your kids could come sleep over at his house? Cause that's kinda worrisome.
Finally. Ask any Michael Jackson supporter this: " Would you take YOUR children to the Neverland Ranch ?? "
NO!!!! And that's the whole point of this whole God forsaken thing! These people who let their kids stay there are either
A.) Stupid as sin or
B.) out to get some money and media exposure at the expense of their kids welfare.
Me thinks somone apparently doesnt have children of their own.
Yeah, I'm 19, so that's probably a good thing
I do. And I think my opinion is apparent.
Who am I to say? I don't know, maybe a sane person who knows their history? I don't know if you realized this, but Hitler was a little bit more messed up in the head than MJ. Jackson might have touched a few kids, but for those kids, (less than 1,000 even in a worst case scenario, I think you'll agree) their lives were not by any means ruined. If he did do what they claim he did, then they might have to go through years of therapy and possibly have some troubles being intimate later in life, but they'll be ok. Hitler on the other hand, KILLED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE! Millions! Do you have any idea how many a million is? Because most people dont. Most of the time, if it's past 3 or 4 people, it's just a statistic, especially when you have the luxory of looking at the statistic's over such a huge gap of time. To compare Hitler to Michael Jackson is just pure ignorance!
You have no clue how many children he actually touched. Most of them time once a molester is finally caught there are usually hundreds more that he touched that simply never came forward.
And?
Second point. People that touch children, this is not a CURABLE illness, that just requires counseling. People like that are attracted to children the same way people like me and you are attracted to adults of the opposite sex(or sometimes the same sex)..It isn't something a phychologist can fix or change. You think he will stop doing it after this ??? No. It's in his nature. In fact now we have basically made it easier for him to continue. You should really do some research on the subject before stating something like that. The attitude you have is like it's really no big deal to touch children.
Ok, I was incorrect there. I did some research, and you're right. Counseling can not supress an illness like this. But with the right treatment regimine consisting of drugs, conseling, and possibly other approaches, it has been proven that it is possible to almost totally supress a persons urges to commit these kinds of acts
Third Point. " You can not tell me that you think that this was entirely wacko jacko's fault! " ??? Yes. It is. If he did not touch kids at all, would there be a problem here ?? No. There wouldn't.
Um, I don't know if you've been watching the news lately, but according to 12 people who saw and heard actual evidence (a luxury you did not have) he didn't touch them. I believe the guy needs some help, because he does have issues, but I will take the word of a Superior court over my third hand observations any day.
Fourth Point: "The thing is, it's not our ******* business! " Yes it is our business. If it wasn't, it wouldnt be a crime to do it. Why do you think convicted sex offenders names and address are published for all to see ?? That way we can keep our children away from sick [fizzles] like Michael Jackson
Oh ok. Gosh, I'm so sorry I mis-said that. Gaw, what was I thinking. Ok, so you're saying that it is our business to be kept real time informed of this invasion of a private citizens life because there's a dnger you might someday move in next door to him? Or are you saying he might move to your neigborhood and pick up your kids? Oh but wait! You're whole argument is moot because he wasn't convicted!
But stepping aside form the logic of it, you said "That way we can keep our children away from sick people like MJ." Seriously? You're saying that you wouldn't notice if Michael Jackson walked up to you and asked if your kids could come sleep over at his house? Cause that's kinda worrisome.
Finally. Ask any Michael Jackson supporter this: " Would you take YOUR children to the Neverland Ranch ?? "
NO!!!! And that's the whole point of this whole God forsaken thing! These people who let their kids stay there are either
A.) Stupid as sin or
B.) out to get some money and media exposure at the expense of their kids welfare.
Me thinks somone apparently doesnt have children of their own.
Yeah, I'm 19, so that's probably a good thing
I do. And I think my opinion is apparent.
Originally Posted by JDM-P5
One of the ladies son is a convicted child molester...go figure that.
Haha, try again Sally. One of the juror's, a 79 year old white female, has a grandson who was arrested on a minor sex offense. Child molestation is a felony, and definatly not minor.
June-15th-2005, 09:07 AM
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You have to remember that we didn't get to see all of the evidence. Only the people inside the court. You have a prosecutor that has it out for Jacko, the mom is known for scamming, the kids story changes, child **** with both Jackos and the kids prints on it but no evidence that Jacko bought it ( that info could have be found if they wanted it). And don’t for get that the picture that the kid said Jack showed him was from a magazine that wasn’t even out at that time. He could have been set up. Then you have the mom that let the kid sleep with him. I personally feel like the jury felt. I don't know if he is guilty or not, I know I wouldn't let my kid sleep with any one. Do I think something’s up YOU BETCHA! But you can't prove it. So there for you have to give him the benefit of dought. I know a guy that was at a bar walked to his car drunk, had to pee went in an ally got caught and is now on that list of sex offenders. This has all but ruined him. That list is a bad thing. Once you do your time you should be cleared. I say if they get caught a second time they shouldn't get out depending on the offence.
June-15th-2005, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Roddimus Prime
isn't possession of child pornography enough to get people arrested in and of itself??
EDIT: forgot to mention in Nevada if an adult has sex with a child under 14years of age it is an automatic life sentance without the possibility of parol. I think all states should have that law.
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June-15th-2005, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JDM-P5
Holy ****! who tf wants to get busy w/a 14yr old anyway....ok scratch that...the teachers theses days are kooky enough I suppose.
Oh and don't forget R Kelly, oh wait I think she was 15 LOL.
My thought is that the jurors did the best they could. The prociutors (?) should have and could have done a better job. But he let his emotions get it the way. I would have just brought up that there had been others he has this **** in him house and he openly said that he likes to sleep with kids. He's sick and needs help. But thats me.
We all will answer for our sins one day! God I hope I come up with a good excuse by then LOL.
June-15th-2005, 10:48 AM
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p.s. someone on comedy central (daily show) said it best
not an exact quote but close enough
"If you're going to commit a crime...do it in L.A. The DA's here are 100% incompetent. They had OJ's blood and nicoles blood on a glove on his shoes, in his car in his yard and he gets off. Robert Blake said "I went back to get my gun.."...and that was his alabi!! He get's off. Michael Jackson has more people testify against him and fingerprints of both him and the accusser on pornography and he gets off. It appears all of the DA's worth a **** are now advisros for the 4 CSI shows and the 3 Law and Order shows."
maybe my faith is only shot in California's legal system....but then again...no it's pretty much everywhere.
not an exact quote but close enough
"If you're going to commit a crime...do it in L.A. The DA's here are 100% incompetent. They had OJ's blood and nicoles blood on a glove on his shoes, in his car in his yard and he gets off. Robert Blake said "I went back to get my gun.."...and that was his alabi!! He get's off. Michael Jackson has more people testify against him and fingerprints of both him and the accusser on pornography and he gets off. It appears all of the DA's worth a **** are now advisros for the 4 CSI shows and the 3 Law and Order shows."
maybe my faith is only shot in California's legal system....but then again...no it's pretty much everywhere.
June-15th-2005, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Anarchistchiken
their lives were not by any means ruined. If he did do what they claim he did, then they might have to go through years of therapy and possibly have some troubles being intimate later in life, but they'll be ok.
Originally Posted by Anarchistchiken
he didn't touch them. I will take the word of a Superior court over my third hand observations any day.