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Old February-14th-2003, 06:10 PM
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Hey this is really interesting...............................
> >
> > Why didn't George W. think of this? Gas rationing in the 80's worked
> > even though we grumbled about it. It might even be good for us!
> >
> > The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favor.
> > An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up
> > the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi
> > Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from
> > the Saudis.
> >
> > Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up
> > the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me,
> > my family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for you
> > to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which
> > major companies import Middle Eastern oil (for the period 9/1/00 --
> > 8/31/01):
> >
> > Shell................ .......205,742,000 barrels
> > Chevron/Texaco....... 144,332,000 barrels
> > Exxon/Mobil............. 130,082,000 barrels
> > Marathon/Speedway.. 117,740,000 barrels
> > Amoco................ 62,231,000 barrels
> >
> > If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18
> > BILLION!
> >
> > Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
> >
> > Citgo....................0 barrels
> > Sunoco.................0 barrels
> > Conoco.................0 barrels
> > Sinclair................ 0 barrels
> > BP/Phillips........... 0 barrels
> > Hess....................0 barrels
> >
> > All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and
> > each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they
> > are importing.
> >
> > They report on a monthly basis. Keep this list in your car; share it
> > with friends. Stop paying for terrorism.............
> >
> > But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas
> > buyers.
> >
> > It's really simple to do!! Now, don't wimp out at this point...keep
> > reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of
> > people!!
> >
> > I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it
> > to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)...and those 300 send it to at
> > least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the
> > message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached
> > over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and
> > pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have
> > been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it.....
> > THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
> >
> > Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. How would all
> > that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people
> > within one day all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted
> > within the next eight days!
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Old February-14th-2003, 06:22 PM
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blah blah blah

full of ignorance... realize only HALF of our oil comes from the middle east

oh and offtopic!
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Old February-14th-2003, 06:25 PM
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Less than half, like less than 20%

Oil strike in Venezuela is driving our oil prices up, not the middle east.
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Old February-14th-2003, 07:19 PM
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Great idea jsimp

BTW - how would I then go to work tomorrow and pay the bills? Rollerblade???
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Old February-14th-2003, 07:22 PM
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WORLD OIL PRODUCTION
The world's oil supply comes from a wide variety of sources. While the Middle East (home to the largest OPEC producers) was the largest producing region in 2001 with 29% of total world production, North America accounted for 20%, with the remaining 51% dispersed fairly evenly throughout the globe. OPEC member countries together accounted for almost 40% of world production in 2001.
Of the the fourteen countries that produced more than 2 million barrels per day in 2001, seven were OPEC members. The remaining seven were not OPEC members, including: the United States (the world's largest total oil producer for the year), Russia, Mexico, China, Canada, and North Sea countries Norway and the United Kingdom.



Of the world's top net exporters, however, OPEC countries are more strongly represented. Nine of the twelve countries exporting more than one million barrels per day in 2001 were OPEC members. Russia, Norway, and Mexico are the world's largest non-OPEC exporters. The U.S. is the world's largest importer. China is also a net importer, while Canada and the United Kingdom are smaller net exporters. (Note: EIA does not have data for worldwide gross exports, and figures net exports from production and consumption data.)

Top World Oil Producers, 2001*
(OPEC members in italics)

Country Total Oil Production**
(million barrels per day)

1) United States 9.02

2) Saudi Arabia 8.73

3) Russia 7.29

4) Iran 3.82

5) Mexico 3.59

6) Norway 3.41

7) China 3.30

8) Venezuela 3.07

9) Canada 2.80

10) United Kingdom 2.59

11) Iraq 2.45

12) United Arab Emirates 2.42

13) Nigeria 2.26

14) Kuwait 2.15



*Table includes all countries total oil production exceeding 2 million barrels per day in 2001.

**Total Oil Production includes crude oil, natural gas liquids, condensate, refinery gain, and other liquids.
Top World Oil Net Exporters, 2001*
(OPEC members in italics)

Country Net Oil Exports
(million barrels per day)

1) Saudi Arabia 7.38
2) Russia 4.76
3) Norway 3.22
4) Iran 2.74
5) Venezuela 2.60
6) United Arab Emirates 2.09
7) Nigeria 2.00
8) Iraq 2.00
9) Kuwait 1.80
10) Mexico 1.65
11) Libya 1.24
12) Algeria 1.24

*Table includes all countries with net exports exceeding 1 million barrels per day in 2001.
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Old February-14th-2003, 07:33 PM
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You Guys Are Insane

There's actually nothing ignorant about jsimp's statement at all. Hey, TheMan and Ambient, do you have any idea how much crude oil constitutes 24 percent (which is the correct figure) of the United State's yearly consumption? Because if you did, you'd realize how categorically massive that is, and how much money that translates to. Let’s note what the U.S. Department of Energy says about United States crude oil consumption per year, shall we?

According to the Department, we consume 19.7 MMBD (MMBD being defined as million barrels per day), per year. Enjoying a little math, that comes to 7190.5 million barrels used per year. 24% of that equates to 1725.72 million barrels bought per year from the Middle East. Gleefully noting the fact that the current price of crude oil this month comes to $30.25, it looks like the United States shovels thereabouts of $52,203,030,000 (that’s Billion) bucks per year to buy crude oil. I have a bit of a hard time feeling these numbers have no consequence.

My question is this: Do you wish to continue discounting the significance of 24% of our oil consumption being filled by Middle Eastern sources? And then, do you wish to discount the significance of stopping that dependence by either conservation, buying from alternate sources, or other means? Because if you do, that stance makes you sound like an idiot. Please don’t take offense, because none is intended here, but indeed statements of that kind come across as such because they’re so far out of the realm of reality that it staggers the mind. You guys aren’t thinking, here.

The United States’ love affair with SUVs and their oblivious disregard for the realities of our own consumption in large part funds the very governments we're told are our enemies. It’s as simple as that.

Responsible conservation presents benefits IN EVERY WAY, and no one should be arguing that it has no significance. That’s a crock. If anyone is truly concerned about Middle Eastern threats to U.S. security then jsimp's quoted article rings spot-on validity.

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Old February-14th-2003, 08:19 PM
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Re: You Guys Are Insane

Originally posted by ProtegeMaster
There's actually nothing ignorant about jsimp's statement at all.
Other than it being a cut-and-paste of a lame internet chain-email, and being full of factual errors, no, I suppose it's only about as ignorant as your statement saying it's not ignorant.

In any case, if you'd like to read some real facts and a good article debunking this specific chain-email, click here and read. Although I doubt you will, as facts are not the friend of the "cut-and-paste activist".
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Old February-14th-2003, 08:36 PM
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Damnnn, shot down.
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Old February-14th-2003, 09:00 PM
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dang, even if I did decide I wanted to participate in this little boycott, and hurt companies that don't deserve it, none of the companies he listed as non-importers are on the west coast.
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Old February-14th-2003, 09:18 PM
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You have way too much time on your hands to figure that out.
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I agree that the Suvs are just horrible on gas and we u should only buy a suv if ur towing something ( Boat , Trailer,camper) if u dont tow anything its a waste of everything. Only businesses that need gas sucking trucks should buy them. I know i fill up a dump truck every 3 days for work and its like 50 bucks per fill up. Why do these people buy suvs when they can buy a wrx or forester a audi or 4matic mercedes ? theres tons of awd cars and 4wd cars out there . My father has 2 suvs a 1989 GMC jimmy and a 1994 Chevy tahoe i put 20 bucks in it today with a half tank and it didnt even fill it. And why do the police officers have RWD suvs? or atleast my city has a bunch of them ...Jon
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Old February-14th-2003, 09:33 PM
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No where did I say I believed the info just though it was interesting. All you did as a response was send people to a web site with out of date info.




December 2002 Import Highlights: Released on February 13, 2003
Preliminary monthly data on the origins of U.S. crude oil imports in December 2002 has been released and it shows that three countries each exported more than 1.4 million barrels per day of crude oil to the United States (see table below). The top sources of U.S. crude oil imports in December 2002 were Saudi Arabia (1.815 million barrels per day), Mexico (1.734 million barrels per day), and Canada (1.490 million barrels per day). This is the largest monthly amount of crude oil imported from Saudi Arabia since August 2001. Rounding out the top ten sources, in order, were Venezuela (0.652 million barrels per day), Nigeria (0.625 million barrels per day), United Kingdom (0.376 million barrels per day), Iraq (0.366 million barrels per day), Angola (0.312 million barrels per day), Colombia (0.248 million barrels per day), and Kuwait (0.190 million barrels per day). Imports from Venezuela were slightly more than half of what was averaged during the first 11 months of the year, as Venezuelan exports were severely curtailed for much of December following the general strike in that country. Total crude oil imports averaged 8.619 million barrels per day in December, a decline of more than 900,000 barrels per day from November, and represents the lowest level since February 2001. The top three origins accounted for 58 percent of these U.S. crude oil imports in December, while the top ten sources accounted for nearly 91 percent of all U.S. crude oil imports. It should be noted that these numbers are preliminary and are subject to change when final data for the month is released on February 24, 2003.
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If we were to stop getting oil from other countries, we would have enough oil from drilling in our own country and our reserves to last us for about 250 years. Sure they'd have to tap into Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico, but there's a bunch there. The government knows this as well. People are overexaggerating and don't know all of what's going on, so they're going to point at other people for the blame, as usual. It figures. The real reason we import oil is because we can get it CHEAP. So why waste our own resources when we can buy someone else's for little money?
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Old February-14th-2003, 10:45 PM
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if you really want to do something ride your bike, that uses no oil, no pollution, no anything, and (god forbid) it's actually good for you.
otherwise nothing you do as a consumer is going to change anything in the oil prduction world.
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Old February-15th-2003, 02:07 PM
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Hes right if we open our eyes & stop being so shallow or bullheaded alway hating on other people you would see that is a very good Idea. yall can flame me all you want but bewarn I can flame with da best of them but its not worth the waste of my time it just shows your IGNORANCE hmmmm
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