Custom Superchargers
 

Is it Possible to custome Make A Supercharger for a 2001 Mazda Protege ES 2.0 just want to know.

Jackson Racing is almost done theirs for the FS-DE... That'll fit your car.

what?!? when did they start? last i talked to them, they had NO plans for a protege-charger.

will that fit a 00 1.8L. lemme know

A guy here in town is a major distributer for JR, and he (actually owns a P5 of his own too) told me one was in the works for the 2.0L... I'll see if I can get more info, but don't raise the flag. It's true! :D

WARNING TO ALL!!!!!

I have heard really bad horror stories about Jackson Racing!!!!!
Buyer beware. And as i understand it Jackson Racing (the name) has been sold to another company and they use that name to opperate. and the orignal company is just there to do installs!

this one guy had a supercharger from their and it started leaking oil out of it! he went to the shop 3 times to check it out and they told him that he was seeing things and soon after the supercharge broke. they CHARGED him 300 bucks to take off the supercharger and look at it. that fucked up. anyone just wanted to let every one know about this.

check out this link
http://tech.hybridgarage.com/tech/marc-jrsc-after.html

would it fit a 1.6 L?

So what should you expect ?
 

"He also is bitching about the boost levels. Thats retarded. If he didnt know what to expect from a roots style supercharger, thats HIS fault, not the superchargers'. "

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So what can you expect as a HP boost when your looking at say 8 pounds of pressure on a 140 hp Mazda Mp3 ? or the 130 HP Protege 5 ?

Re: So what should you expect ?
 

there are too many other variables that need to be taken into account when comparing boost to horsepower.

Are you sure ?
 

thanks for your mail unfortunately we are not carrying a application to
fit your year and make. We will not be moving into the production of SC for
protege..

have a good day.

Oscar Montoya
Jackson Racing Sales
Moss Motors LTD.
(800) 689-9308
(805) 692-2523 fax
montoyao@mossmotors.com

This is an email I recived from them today. I sent an email about an hour or so ago inquireing about the possiblility of the Portege supercharger.

And I wasnt trying to compare boost to HP, I was just wondering what kind of gains you should expect to get out of a supercharger, under mid range pressure.

thanks.

Many thanks
 

Many many thanks Pseudo, I do hope someone can produce a supercharger for the 1.8L and the 2.0l protege engines, perhaps this thread is now complete.

i saw a supercharged P5 on hi-rev tuners(you know on the speed vission channel) they didn't say who made it, they just showed that it had one.

I got that same reply when I email JR about 6 MONTHS AGO....:rolleyes:

Also when I called them and spoke to Oscar....he told me the same thing....I beleive I remember posting it on this board too....to hell with JR and their damn chargers.

it's hard to make a supercharger for the protege b/c the engine is put in side ways with the belts skqueezed up again the wheel wheel and there not to much room to put one on.

they do it for prelude's, and they have even less room.

so what about the superchargerd P5 on hirev tuners???

OK, there were people on this thread who claimed JR was almost done with a supercharger that JR was unaware of when I contacted them, I included in my reply to JR that I encorage them to look into a possible super charger for the mazda protege 2.0L engine, and hope to hear back if such a project is undertaken.

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Note to people who think they heard somehting:

Dont post it unless you have a definite answer, and if some moron claims he spoke with somone dont belive him, do like I did and send an email, post the email and have your question answered.

Flavor Flave said once "Dont belive the HYPE !" and thats words to live by.
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I've watched Hi rev Tuners. The super charger is probably one of those electric units. That show seriously biteZ.

Jay

That was the area 51 WW MP3 with the supercharger in it

Junk this, junk that!

I bet it's worth more than YOUR ENTIRE CAR!

Vortech?
 

http://www.boomplustoys.net/semashow...emashow028.jpg

hmmmmmmmmmm :D

Ditch that front lip and those black mirrors and that car would be sweet! I really like those grills!

this is gay
i want one for my car

98 1.5L

i doubt that guy is coming back

That has to be the gayest car ever. I've seen males driving that car and it's disturbing.

The supercharged Protege you saw belongs to Wings West and was a "one-off" system put together by Area 51, the same shop that built a supercharged Sentra SE-R Spec V that got everybody excited over there.

If you want to go through the trouble of doing it, go ahead. Alot of it will have to be custom built, but I would start with a phone call to Area 51 and go from there.

If Jackson Racing won't make a kit, I suggest contracting Kenne-Bell who just came out with a new twin-screw kit for the Miata. With some minor rework, it could fit the Protege I would think.

if Area51's willing to talk to you about it, ask them what supercharger they started from, because I'm sure its a retrofit from another super, probably from a civic or a car of comparable manifold design. ask them what they had to change and if they're really nice, what the demensions before and after were on the inlets and bolt placements.

Designing a supercharger from scratch is 'near' impossible without a million dollars in machining and prototyping equipment, but, they just might have that.


...a turbo would be more practical, especially considering you can just take a deep look at the mazdaspeed protege's design and copy it, albeit easier said than done.

Jackson racing e-mailed me and said that there is not a big enough market to bother making a supercharger kit for the protege.

The Area 51 one was a Vortech. Vortech's are oil fed just like a turbo and require little or no maintenance unlike the eaton that Jackson racing uses.

Eatons require overhaul after 60000 miles.
Paxtons wear out their conical plates where the balls drive.
Powerdynes require internal belt replacements after awhile.
Whipples require overhaul just like eatons.

Vortech has a low end version that you can buy for less than $1800 USD. But you will have to fab the mounts, belt tensioners, piping and install a blow off to control boost.

The basic version has straight cut gears and will give you that blower whine, the other is silent and cost 200 more.

Anyone who has access to a machine shop can custom install their own.

G.

A BOV on a supercharger? Nope... Think about it: If you jump off the gas, the engine will slow down, in turn the supercharger will slow down with it, hence not needing a BOV. On a turbo, the turbo will continue to spin at maximum RPM for awhile after you let off the gas, and as such a BOV is required to relieve pressure. Never on a supercharged car.

It's aways good to control volume surge, even in air flow and would work in a high rpm blower such as the Vortech.

Any thought's as to which unit would be easier to fabricate an install?

The power steering pump area on our cars is where the Area 51 one is mounted and would require relocating the pump.

The Eaton would have to be mounted on the back of the engine with a custom intake built around it. Would the Ford focus Jackson racing manifold fit?

G.

im pretty familiar with the focus's, the bolt paterns to the manifold do not match up with a mazda block that i know of, and customizing your own bolts will be a project of its own because you need to have no compression loss when you interface it to the block.

i've seen blowoffs on supercharged engines, the reason most people dont see it is because many supercharged engines dont exceed 7000rpm or so where your likely to have a vacuum or excess pressure somewhere because things loose sync. so i'd think its important on a 4 cylinder compared to an 8 cylinder that doesn't rev past 6000. i agree with whats stated above, the super usually gives the volume the engine demands, where a turbo can keep boosting, and also boost spike which will blow your engine in some fashion if you have no method of release.

from my understanding, you install a blow-off valve if the throttle is after the supercharger/turbocharger, as in most turbo applications and also in vortech applications. it prevent excess pressure in the crossover tubes when the throttle is suddenly closed.

in the case of the jackson racing blower, the throttle is before the supercharger, thus a blow-off valve would not be needed. however, to increase fuel economy, they use a bypass valve that will allow air to circualte past the blower to reduce fuel requirements.

Why is a centrifugal supercharger on a 4 cylinder a stupid idea?

Why is it more benificial on a 6 or 8 cylinder engine?

Or do you think centrifugal superchargers are bad in general?

G.