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June-7th-2002, 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by boostedmp5
Hey how could you tell the manifold is cast an not tubes that heat sheild seems to be blocking any type of view to the manifold
Hey how could you tell the manifold is cast an not tubes that heat sheild seems to be blocking any type of view to the manifold
Above is quoted from: http://www.bellengineering.net/MP3.html
They reference the casting of the manifold several times in there.
June-7th-2002, 02:46 PM
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Please excuse this possibly ignorant comment about the BEGI turbo system. I don't know much about turbo systems, but looking at the pictures I see that the Intake for the turbo system is in the engine compartment. Wouldn't it make more sense to move the coolant reservoir and elongate the pipe with the air filter into the wheelwell where there is cooler air, like the CAIs?
Please, no mercy if I'm wrong.
Please, no mercy if I'm wrong.
June-7th-2002, 04:12 PM
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corky said that they had to put the IC in a pretty interesting location. he didn't give to many details, but he did say it wound up having to be positioned vertially. from the photo, it appears that the IC is either in the wheelwell or at least to the very right of the engine bay, positioned vertically. the pipe you see coming up from below runs from the IC outlet to the throttle body. menace had the lay-of-the-land as far as air flow down pat.
btw, menace.... when we gonna hook up a twin cities pro club!?! i'm in eden prairie, right next door essentially.
btw, menace.... when we gonna hook up a twin cities pro club!?! i'm in eden prairie, right next door essentially.
June-7th-2002, 04:46 PM
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So here is the turbo theory, as I understand it. Exhaust from the engine turns the Exhaust Turbine, which in turn spins the Intake Turbine. The Intake Turbine sucks in air from the airbox then forces it through an air intercooler, pushing cold air into the intake manifold at higher than atmospheric pressure.
The difference of the pressure forced into the intake manifold minus atmospheric pressure (measured in PSI) is the "boost" given by the turbo. (14.7 PSI is atmospheric pressure at sea level. So, a turbo at sea level giving 8 PSI of "boost" is forcing air into the intake manifold at 22.7 PSI)
This increase in PSI of (hopefully) cool air, allows for more fuel and air to be mixed in the cylinders, therefore creating a bigger explosion in the combustion chamber, which in turn yields more horsepower. Since the force of the exhaust is what drives this process, you will have lower boost or "lag" when the engine is at low RPMs.
By Jove, I hope I've got it!!
The difference of the pressure forced into the intake manifold minus atmospheric pressure (measured in PSI) is the "boost" given by the turbo. (14.7 PSI is atmospheric pressure at sea level. So, a turbo at sea level giving 8 PSI of "boost" is forcing air into the intake manifold at 22.7 PSI)
This increase in PSI of (hopefully) cool air, allows for more fuel and air to be mixed in the cylinders, therefore creating a bigger explosion in the combustion chamber, which in turn yields more horsepower. Since the force of the exhaust is what drives this process, you will have lower boost or "lag" when the engine is at low RPMs.
By Jove, I hope I've got it!!
June-7th-2002, 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by Protégé Ménacé
HEY: youve got a dark 2nd maybe 3rd gen with a grey windshield banner with blue letting saying protege, and you park it at the eden prarie mall, in the very center, far from teh target entrance, NO???
I live in bloomington, right next to 494 and 169.
i want to have a protege club here. me, dre with his rx7, and trentmn in his miata had a little meet a few weeks ago, i want more prots to show up
HEY: youve got a dark 2nd maybe 3rd gen with a grey windshield banner with blue letting saying protege, and you park it at the eden prarie mall, in the very center, far from teh target entrance, NO???
I live in bloomington, right next to 494 and 169.
i want to have a protege club here. me, dre with his rx7, and trentmn in his miata had a little meet a few weeks ago, i want more prots to show up
menace, you're not even close...
check the sig. mine is a white '01 ES. i work in the tech park off of 169 and valley view. right area, wrong car. [although, i do know that guy. troy or terry or something. 99 w/ no mods.]
drop me a line on email or IM and we'll work something out....
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as for the topic and hand, yes, zeriak. that's the general giste of a turbo. read the "suck, squish, bang, blow" articles in SCC for all the gorie details.
everyone else, they may eventually be sold through FM, but the price is sweeter buying early and buying direct. i was told the price will go up after the first 10 systems ship for $2950; although, i was not told by how much.
June-7th-2002, 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by zeriak
So here is the turbo theory, as I understand it. Exhaust from the engine turns the Exhaust Turbine, which in turn spins the Intake Turbine. The Intake Turbine sucks in air from the airbox then forces it through an air intercooler, pushing cold air into the intake manifold at higher than atmospheric pressure.
The difference of the pressure forced into the intake manifold minus atmospheric pressure (measured in PSI) is the "boost" given by the turbo. (14.7 PSI is atmospheric pressure at sea level. So, a turbo at sea level giving 8 PSI of "boost" is forcing air into the intake manifold at 22.7 PSI)
This increase in PSI of (hopefully) cool air, allows for more fuel and air to be mixed in the cylinders, therefore creating a bigger explosion in the combustion chamber, which in turn yields more horsepower. Since the force of the exhaust is what drives this process, you will have lower boost or "lag" when the engine is at low RPMs.
By Jove, I hope I've got it!!
So here is the turbo theory, as I understand it. Exhaust from the engine turns the Exhaust Turbine, which in turn spins the Intake Turbine. The Intake Turbine sucks in air from the airbox then forces it through an air intercooler, pushing cold air into the intake manifold at higher than atmospheric pressure.
The difference of the pressure forced into the intake manifold minus atmospheric pressure (measured in PSI) is the "boost" given by the turbo. (14.7 PSI is atmospheric pressure at sea level. So, a turbo at sea level giving 8 PSI of "boost" is forcing air into the intake manifold at 22.7 PSI)
This increase in PSI of (hopefully) cool air, allows for more fuel and air to be mixed in the cylinders, therefore creating a bigger explosion in the combustion chamber, which in turn yields more horsepower. Since the force of the exhaust is what drives this process, you will have lower boost or "lag" when the engine is at low RPMs.
By Jove, I hope I've got it!!
June-7th-2002, 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by Traveler
Close! The intake side of the turbo is called the compressor. Also, you can build systems with small exhaust housings that will spool very quickly that make good boost at low RPM. The downside is they won't flow as well at high RPM so are limited on output.
Close! The intake side of the turbo is called the compressor. Also, you can build systems with small exhaust housings that will spool very quickly that make good boost at low RPM. The downside is they won't flow as well at high RPM so are limited on output.
....and such is the fatal flaw of the VW engines. tiny little exhaust pathways to get the speed up per unit of volumetric flow and hence reduce lag [they are known for being at full boost at ~2k rpm], but torque falls off very quickly over 4500 rpm, a design for more low-end efficiency at the expense of top-end output.
thanks for the nomenclature correction, Traveler.
June-8th-2002, 03:56 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by pkc
[B]corky said that they had to put the IC in a pretty interesting location. he didn't give to many details, but he did say it wound up having to be positioned vertially. from the photo, it appears that the IC is either in the wheelwell or at least to the very right of the engine bay, positioned vertically. the pipe you see coming up from below runs from the IC outlet to the throttle body. menace had the lay-of-the-land as far as air flow down pat.
Like I stated before the people at BEGI are fabricators...they build kits that give the engine a future ...Corky is very concerned about engine temps, and longevity...as far as the IC being in a "pretty interesting location" they really do look at every option to maximize performance/ fit....I am telling you this is the company to deal with ...if you want a long lasting turbo engine. If they make a mistake ...you are still out an engine...but at least the history of this company is very strong. Likelyhood of a catastrophic error is much less with this company. Plus Corky is very humble...not boasting about his past successes...just building quailty stuff.
[B]corky said that they had to put the IC in a pretty interesting location. he didn't give to many details, but he did say it wound up having to be positioned vertially. from the photo, it appears that the IC is either in the wheelwell or at least to the very right of the engine bay, positioned vertically. the pipe you see coming up from below runs from the IC outlet to the throttle body. menace had the lay-of-the-land as far as air flow down pat.
Like I stated before the people at BEGI are fabricators...they build kits that give the engine a future ...Corky is very concerned about engine temps, and longevity...as far as the IC being in a "pretty interesting location" they really do look at every option to maximize performance/ fit....I am telling you this is the company to deal with ...if you want a long lasting turbo engine. If they make a mistake ...you are still out an engine...but at least the history of this company is very strong. Likelyhood of a catastrophic error is much less with this company. Plus Corky is very humble...not boasting about his past successes...just building quailty stuff.
June-8th-2002, 10:50 PM
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i wasn't intending to state that as a negative. i was just passing along what he said to me. i know full well what his systems are capable of and the reliability that their past systems have been able to achieve. again, i was not bad-mouthing, just restating what i was told....
i'm sure i've said it previously in this post, but this will be THE turbo kit for our cars.
i'm sure i've said it previously in this post, but this will be THE turbo kit for our cars.
June-9th-2002, 02:43 AM
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Umm... can someone point me in the way of the pre-order form?
So, from the looks of things, the first run will go for just under $3000. Is that with or without the IC?
In reference to the previous post about the Honda's not taking 1 bar, or about 14 psi of boost, one of the factors would be compression. Also, as was stated previously, the Honda B-series engines have never been known to be overly stout engines. They're great as NA screamers but don't do as well with boost without reinforcement when going nuts. It's an open deck block which means the cylinder walls are a little weaker under extreme boost applications (we're talking 1.5 bars & up) & when running that high, all of them will have a block reinforcement sleeve welded in. The SR-20 is much more boost friendly simply because that's what it was designed for. Closed deck, iron block, etc. Same as the miata engines which have oil squirters for the pistons. I personally would still be a little cautious about boosting the FSDE engine over 1 bar but if I were to trust anybody in this world that told me otherwise, it definitely would be Mr Turbo (Corky) himself. I'm drunk & tired right now so if I'm wrong in any of my details, let me know.
So, from the looks of things, the first run will go for just under $3000. Is that with or without the IC?
In reference to the previous post about the Honda's not taking 1 bar, or about 14 psi of boost, one of the factors would be compression. Also, as was stated previously, the Honda B-series engines have never been known to be overly stout engines. They're great as NA screamers but don't do as well with boost without reinforcement when going nuts. It's an open deck block which means the cylinder walls are a little weaker under extreme boost applications (we're talking 1.5 bars & up) & when running that high, all of them will have a block reinforcement sleeve welded in. The SR-20 is much more boost friendly simply because that's what it was designed for. Closed deck, iron block, etc. Same as the miata engines which have oil squirters for the pistons. I personally would still be a little cautious about boosting the FSDE engine over 1 bar but if I were to trust anybody in this world that told me otherwise, it definitely would be Mr Turbo (Corky) himself. I'm drunk & tired right now so if I'm wrong in any of my details, let me know.
June-9th-2002, 06:25 AM
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Originally posted by pkc
i wasn't intending to state that as a negative. i was just passing along what he said to me. i know full well what his systems are capable of and the reliability that their past systems have been able to achieve. again, i was not bad-mouthing, just restating what i was told....
i'm sure i've said it previously in this post, but this will be THE turbo kit for our cars.
i wasn't intending to state that as a negative. i was just passing along what he said to me. i know full well what his systems are capable of and the reliability that their past systems have been able to achieve. again, i was not bad-mouthing, just restating what i was told....
i'm sure i've said it previously in this post, but this will be THE turbo kit for our cars.
The IC location adds to the "coolness factor" of the turbo too.
I took you coments as a positve not a negative...
My apologies for coming off as a tool ...
June-9th-2002, 01:55 PM
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TheMAN....
are you going to update the FAQ with all of the aftermarket gear out now? also, have you thought about making the FAQ searchable?
txzoomr....
i wasn't offended, just reiterating my points.
Huey....
call them. i linked to their site in the first post of the thread. corky was very friendly to talk to. and, yes, at $2950 for the pre-order, this is not only the best spec'ed/designed system, but also the cheapest... er... least expensive.... and i believe that is WITH the IC. even at half a bar ~7psi, this should be a VERY strong system. it's making me rethink the trade-in [see sig].
are you going to update the FAQ with all of the aftermarket gear out now? also, have you thought about making the FAQ searchable?
txzoomr....
i wasn't offended, just reiterating my points.
Huey....
call them. i linked to their site in the first post of the thread. corky was very friendly to talk to. and, yes, at $2950 for the pre-order, this is not only the best spec'ed/designed system, but also the cheapest... er... least expensive.... and i believe that is WITH the IC. even at half a bar ~7psi, this should be a VERY strong system. it's making me rethink the trade-in [see sig].