One thing to improve handeling?
#17
Originally posted by carguycw
Are you talking about the swaybar mounting brackets? Take a look at the picture...
The picture at left is the stock bracket. The picture on the right is the beefier MP3/MSP bracket.
There's still an active debate about whether or not the stronger brackets are necessary with the popular AWR 19mm rear swaybar upgrade. Numerous folks on this list have been running this bar with the stock rear struts for a long time, and AFAIK nobody has broken one yet. However, if you decide to use the stiffer 21.5mm AWR rear bar, it might be a good idea to use struts with the reinforced brackets.
Other people can comment on the handling benefits of the rear swaybar better than I can. However, most folks seem to be very happy with the stock front/AWR 19mm rear combo. It will reduce understeer nicely without making the car too tail-happy, which would probably be the case with the 21.5mm bar. BTW you want to avoid messing with the front if possible; replacing it is a total PITA. Do a search for more detail about this.
Good luck!
Are you talking about the swaybar mounting brackets? Take a look at the picture...
The picture at left is the stock bracket. The picture on the right is the beefier MP3/MSP bracket.
There's still an active debate about whether or not the stronger brackets are necessary with the popular AWR 19mm rear swaybar upgrade. Numerous folks on this list have been running this bar with the stock rear struts for a long time, and AFAIK nobody has broken one yet. However, if you decide to use the stiffer 21.5mm AWR rear bar, it might be a good idea to use struts with the reinforced brackets.
Other people can comment on the handling benefits of the rear swaybar better than I can. However, most folks seem to be very happy with the stock front/AWR 19mm rear combo. It will reduce understeer nicely without making the car too tail-happy, which would probably be the case with the 21.5mm bar. BTW you want to avoid messing with the front if possible; replacing it is a total PITA. Do a search for more detail about this.
Good luck!
#18
I believe what you're trying to say is speed ratings have nothing to do with actual traction? Your first sentance made little sense to me.... but what I said holds true though
Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
Speed ratings have ZERO to due with traction. And what does, "they are stick period." mean?!??? That doesn't make ANY sense at all.
Speed ratings have ZERO to due with traction. And what does, "they are stick period." mean?!??? That doesn't make ANY sense at all.
#19
Originally posted by TheMAN
I believe what you're trying to say is speed ratings have nothing to do with actual traction? Your first sentance made little sense to me.... but what I said holds true though
I believe what you're trying to say is speed ratings have nothing to do with actual traction? Your first sentance made little sense to me.... but what I said holds true though
#20
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i wasn't saying speed rating has how stick it was, i was just saying that the higher speed the tire is rated for, usually the softer the rubber is, which results in better traction(stickyness) and faster wear with louder road noise. look at the kuhmo tread pattern and tell me it has poor water traction.
my toyo's cracked and bubled out when they wore down alot, when they had tread left they were alright. they kuhmo's don't have near as good snow/ice traction compared to the factory dunlops, but i'd rather have the kuhmo's any day of the week
my toyo's cracked and bubled out when they wore down alot, when they had tread left they were alright. they kuhmo's don't have near as good snow/ice traction compared to the factory dunlops, but i'd rather have the kuhmo's any day of the week
#22
gey, thanks for the improvement, why do you provide a link so I can learn how to drive? Like you have any idea of what kind of driver I am! I appriciate your enthusiasim to help!
#23
Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
Kumho 712s are NOT my favorite tire. I had them on my protege, and was never impressed. If you're sticking to the stock 15" wheels, I'd suggest investing in a set of Bridgestone S-03 PP tires in the 195-50-15 size. A very good performance tire that wears pretty well for how sticky it is. Also has good wet weather performance. If you do live where it snows quite a bit (MN sounds like it ), you'll gain a LOT from going to a set of snow tires on another set of wheels. This allows you to make fewer compromises with your "summer setup".
Kumho 712s are NOT my favorite tire. I had them on my protege, and was never impressed. If you're sticking to the stock 15" wheels, I'd suggest investing in a set of Bridgestone S-03 PP tires in the 195-50-15 size. A very good performance tire that wears pretty well for how sticky it is. Also has good wet weather performance. If you do live where it snows quite a bit (MN sounds like it ), you'll gain a LOT from going to a set of snow tires on another set of wheels. This allows you to make fewer compromises with your "summer setup".
It is nice to see how much you guys stressed tires. That is rare on most forums. The tires are the only part of a cars suspension that actaully touch the road, and becuase of that can make huge benefits in handling. Not all tires are the same, as some people think.
#25
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i drive in the rain too, thats why i like them honestly they have awesome wet traction. i've never hydroplaned with them unlike the factory dunlops. don't get the wrong the dunlops are great tires, but just too expensive and they don't make enough sizes.
#27
Originally posted by Kopp0041
gey, thanks for the improvement, why do you provide a link so I can learn how to drive? Like you have any idea of what kind of driver I am! I appriciate your enthusiasim to help!
gey, thanks for the improvement, why do you provide a link so I can learn how to drive? Like you have any idea of what kind of driver I am! I appriciate your enthusiasim to help!
Last edited by PhotoPro5; March-30th-2003 at 04:42 PM.
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