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Old March-28th-2003, 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by walight01


what sux about them??

exactly what PseudoRealityX said

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wet handling, dry handling, poor feel, inconsistent break-away
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Old March-28th-2003, 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by carguycw


Are you talking about the swaybar mounting brackets? Take a look at the picture...

The picture at left is the stock bracket. The picture on the right is the beefier MP3/MSP bracket.

There's still an active debate about whether or not the stronger brackets are necessary with the popular AWR 19mm rear swaybar upgrade. Numerous folks on this list have been running this bar with the stock rear struts for a long time, and AFAIK nobody has broken one yet. However, if you decide to use the stiffer 21.5mm AWR rear bar, it might be a good idea to use struts with the reinforced brackets.

Other people can comment on the handling benefits of the rear swaybar better than I can. However, most folks seem to be very happy with the stock front/AWR 19mm rear combo. It will reduce understeer nicely without making the car too tail-happy, which would probably be the case with the 21.5mm bar. BTW you want to avoid messing with the front if possible; replacing it is a total PITA. Do a search for more detail about this.

Good luck!
That is exactly what I'm talking about. So the 19mm will improve the handeling and you don't need to reinforce the struts? How has the handleing been affected to all of you who are running this setup?
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Old March-28th-2003, 03:40 PM
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I believe what you're trying to say is speed ratings have nothing to do with actual traction? Your first sentance made little sense to me.... but what I said holds true though

Originally posted by PseudoRealityX


Speed ratings have ZERO to due with traction. And what does, "they are stick period." mean?!??? That doesn't make ANY sense at all.
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Old March-28th-2003, 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by TheMAN
I believe what you're trying to say is speed ratings have nothing to do with actual traction? Your first sentance made little sense to me.... but what I said holds true though
Edwin and Jesse are right, comparing DIFFERENT types of tires by speed rating is totally bogus. However, the original post was probably just referring to the fact that Kumho 712's (and some other tires) are available in different speed ratings for the same size, and the higher-rated ones are usually stickier. However, in the case of 712's, comparing the grip of the V-rated vs. Z-rated versions is like comparing the torque output of different Honda Civics... it's not good vs. bad, it's or lousy vs. really ****-poor.
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Old March-28th-2003, 05:42 PM
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i wasn't saying speed rating has how stick it was, i was just saying that the higher speed the tire is rated for, usually the softer the rubber is, which results in better traction(stickyness) and faster wear with louder road noise. look at the kuhmo tread pattern and tell me it has poor water traction.

my toyo's cracked and bubled out when they wore down alot, when they had tread left they were alright. they kuhmo's don't have near as good snow/ice traction compared to the factory dunlops, but i'd rather have the kuhmo's any day of the week
 
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I'll give you a free mod guaranteed to improve your car's handling.

Improve the driver
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Old March-28th-2003, 10:30 PM
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gey, thanks for the improvement, why do you provide a link so I can learn how to drive? Like you have any idea of what kind of driver I am! I appriciate your enthusiasim to help!
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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX




Kumho 712s are NOT my favorite tire. I had them on my protege, and was never impressed. If you're sticking to the stock 15" wheels, I'd suggest investing in a set of Bridgestone S-03 PP tires in the 195-50-15 size. A very good performance tire that wears pretty well for how sticky it is. Also has good wet weather performance. If you do live where it snows quite a bit (MN sounds like it ), you'll gain a LOT from going to a set of snow tires on another set of wheels. This allows you to make fewer compromises with your "summer setup".
The S-03's are exactly what I went with, albeit in a 215/40 YR 17... I don't have any experience with actual racing but have purchased a half dozen different tires packages since I started driving. The Bridgestone s-03's are by far the best tires as far as grip and predictability I have ever owned. They are farely complient on expansion joints and much quieter than Yokohama Parada Spec-2's. They are rated around 220, and most hard drivers get a little over 14,000 miles out of them. I have seen an M3 roast them in as little as 4,000, but it all depends on how hard you drive. I am approaching 20,000 and hope to get the summer out of them but it will be close. Just remember to balance them and not drive hard everywhere you go. I do not recommend this but I have reached 98mph in my P5 in a downpour without any noticable loss of traction (I was late for a test). They do have great hydroplane resistance and seem to maintain most of their grip on damp pavement. Just threw all of this out if anyone was interested.

It is nice to see how much you guys stressed tires. That is rare on most forums. The tires are the only part of a cars suspension that actaully touch the road, and becuase of that can make huge benefits in handling. Not all tires are the same, as some people think.
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Originally posted by walight01
look at the kuhmo tread pattern and tell me it has poor water traction.

I go by actually driving in the rain, not the design. It looks cool though.
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i drive in the rain too, thats why i like them honestly they have awesome wet traction. i've never hydroplaned with them unlike the factory dunlops. don't get the wrong the dunlops are great tires, but just too expensive and they don't make enough sizes.
 
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Well, I've hydroplaned 1 and 1/2 times...lol Thats one to many for me.
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Originally posted by Kopp0041
gey, thanks for the improvement, why do you provide a link so I can learn how to drive? Like you have any idea of what kind of driver I am! I appriciate your enthusiasim to help!
Knock yourself out


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Old March-30th-2003, 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by PhotoPro5


Knock yourself out

http://www.nasaproracing.com/hpde/
Thanks for the unusable link, here's a link for you. How to create a link.
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I learn something new everyday.

Still, learn how to drive before you go modding your car. It's less expensive and it's the one modification that will transfer from car to car to car.
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Old March-30th-2003, 08:48 PM
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LOL...you kids slay me.
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