pimpprotege69

Are there any good brake upgrades for the 2000 ES?

I have the disc up front and the Drums in the rear.

Anyplace online to order cross drilled rotors or things along that line that fit the 2000 protege??

Bruce95fmla

imagine they look cool as hell and serve a purpose,
I love mine
Bruce

Eric F

Thanks to Bruce for pointing out http://www.precisionbrakescompany.com/, I found out they will produce brake upgrades for almost any vehicle. I contacted them and found out they were already working on a 12.19" two piece rotor upgrade with relocation brackets for the stock calipers for biknman from this forum. After talking with Darryl about options for the 3rd gen Proteges, I decided on their "A" combination package ($850). It includes 13" DBA Long Life Gold curved vane cross drilled and slotted rotors, Wilwood billet dynalite calipers & Polymatrix pads, stainless steel hoses, and custom caliper mounting brackets. The package requires 17" wheels, but was the best value IMHO because the DBA rotor cost was lower because they could be made from universal blanks, as opposed to custom Wilwood aluminum hats being required for the two piece rotors. Both Matt (sales) and Darryl (technical) were very helpful and responded to email and phone calls VERY promptly. Nice find Bruce!

biknman

So quick to judge or criticize, hmm.




To each his own, my friend!

Eric F

David, was that to me or Jesse? This is one of few times I'd have to say Jesse didn't criticize brake upgrades.
Jesse, yes I do plan on running in some Solo II autocrosses this year. Unfortunately, I'll be out of town during my local training/orientation weekend, but I'm still planning on running in as many as I can make it to. Don't worry, I'll be upgrading the tires and wheels as well, to insure I can take advantage of the brake upgrade. If you caught the price for the full upgrade I'm going with, that's a big part of the reason for going all out. It seemed to be the best value to me. Most other full kits that I've seen including larger rotor, better caliper, brackets & stainless lines, etc. run well over $1000.

biknman

Since you’re just asking, yes. I've raced in two Solo IIs with the car so far and I have another one tomorrow. And I'm pre-registered for two more next moth and a NASA road race in May. This is my first experience with car racing but not my first with high-speed competition. I've raced off-road stuff in my truck, I raced 600cc sport bikes in Germany, and I raced motor-cross off and on for years. Also I've raced pedal bikes for 27 years to include a Professional license to race BMX and Downhill Mountain Bikes. I also own a 02 Eclipse 200hp stock, which this summer will be outfitted with a twin turbo setup for the 1/4-mile track hopefully. Plus I was in the Army and was continually being thrown from perfectly good aircraft at very high altitudes with very low openings and all kinds of explosive attached to my body.
So yes I race and a lot more than just my car. But know a days it for fun the competitiveness was worn out of me years ago.


Click here for a pic of me jumping the 20ft doubles at Plattekill Ski Resort, NY

biknman

Sorry bro still trying to get the solider out of me, always ready to fight at the drop of a pin. Blame it on Uncle Sam he trained me to be that way and old habits are hard to break. I stand on my integrity, if I say, "I'm racing" I'm racing, if I say, "I'm showing my car" I'm showing my car. I'll get down off the soapbox now and chill.
Thanks for keeping me in line, I definitely need it some times.



Like you say, "its not your fault I'm an idiot"! hehe

biknman

Back to what this post was originally about; I have KVR pads and Stainless Steel lines with Mogul brake fluid. I barley have to tap the brake pedal and the wheels lock in a good way; total control and I have the pedal feel set real tight like I like it. In fact I was out screaming down some local back roads that are really twisty and hilly testing out the new wheels via Rishie thanks, when I came around a blind corner and there is a dam dump truck in the middle of the road so I tap the brakes they locked for just a mil-a-second enough to slow me down from lets say 45 mph to 10 mph in no time at all to avoid the impeding collision. On the edge baby! Once my Wilwood 12 ¼” rotors show up I'm hoping that the stopping distance will get even shorter.
ZOOM-ZOOM!

pimpprotege69

So you are saying Pads and Brake lines will make a difference.

How much better then stock do you say they are?

Eric F

Pads and brake lines will make a big difference if you pick the pads correctly. That's definitely the place to start with brake upgrades.
Biknman, as I mentioned before, when I contacted Precision Brakes Co. they told me they were working on your brake kit. I was under the impression from them you were going with Wilwood 12.19" two piece rotors and brackets to relocate the stock calipers. Have you changed that with them?

biknman

That's what I'm waiting on: Wilwood 12.19" two piece rotors and powder coated brackets to relocate the stock calipers. I couldn’t justify the extra $800.00 for the Wilwood four piston calipers. Plus now if I want to run my 14" rims with Khumo Victoracers its easy to convert back to the stock rotor size for SCCA racing?

Eric F

Extra $800? I went with the 13" DBA one piece rotors, Wilwood billet dynalite calipers with polymatrix "D" pads, Caliper mounting brackets, and stainless steel brake lines for $850. Darryl told me your Wilwood rotors and brackets were $480, is that right? The way Darryl explained it, the Wilwood rotors are more expensive than the DBA rotors because Wilwood doesn't make an aluminum hat that fits our application. They have to have Wilwood custom make a hat for our 55mm center bore, where DBA makes blanks that can be drilled for the specific application. I'm just trying to clarify whether what Darryl told me was correct. It seems so, because I checked Wilwood's website, and they don't have any hats available to fit our hubs.

Eric F

Yes, I'm still thinking about it. It requires quite a few parts though, and I'm not sure I want to switch to the 5 lug hubs. Do you know where to get the 4 lug rear disc brake hubs?

biknman

Eric F,

Everything Precision told you is true. Those guys really know brakes.

I've considered the rear disc swap too. But wouldn't we need a new bigger capacity master cylinder? I might do the rear disc swap this winter with Wilwood calipers at all four corners. I'll wait to see how the Autox season goes first. As of right now I have more brakes than I'll ever need.

My only problems right now is a little more midrange power (hopefully a turbo will take care of that), freaking over steer (hopefully adjustable front strut mounts will fix with more neg. camber), and small amount of torque steer only problem in long right turns where you need power(LSD).

biknman

Hmm, sounds very interesting more balanced braking.