Protege5 comparo & top speed
 

Hey, Folks-

Thought you would like to read the original comparison test that Car and Driver did using the Protege5. It whipped its competition in the comparo, including the Aerio, Vibe, Matrix, Focus, and PT Cruiser.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1

Sadly, as I've long suspected, the top speed (in stock condition) was found to be 113mph. Using my mph guide that I did in Excel (and adjusting tire diameter smaller by 1.7mm to dial out the error margin to match my real-world data), I came up with a top speed of 116.6, if the car could pull 5500 rpm in top gear. If enough mods were done to defeat the wind up to 6,000rpm, the car would pull 127. But anybody who claims to have done that in a stock car is full of shit. I have no idea where mine would come in, as I've never had it past 100 clicks. Probably never will.

I have had my pro5 speedo topped past 140mph. Before I had mods 135mph. Never governed. If anyone wants to call bullsh!t i will do it again and post video/photo.

is your speedo accurate?

....6,600rpm in top gear?! That's 140mph...

Okay, I guess you'll have to prove me wrong!

I think someone is either keeping secrets here or bs'ing us.....

You posted a pic of your car in another thread and it was an s-wagon, not a P5, now your saying you can do 140 ??? I smell something, sniff-sniff :bs:

Alright guys give me a couple days, are all of you governed? I didnt check rpms at 140+ but I do know it was high. Ill get it over 130 no problem on my way out this weekend, Ill post whatever I get.

what mods you have ??? it's not governed but drag limited, so more power is needed to get that kind of speed

header, full 2.5" exhust, intake, cams. Thats pretty much it performance wise. I questioned it too then I just pushed and pushed the mph, getting higher and more ballsy each time. Then I had an open road with a focus next to me (tops at 109) and laid into it. Hit 140+ a couple. Ill see what I can do for you guys this weekend....

...this sounds like a physics problem waiting to happen....

Force to overcome aerodynamic drag = (.5)(air density) x (frontal area) x (velocity)^2

...I am going home before you guys make me do math again... but I would be willing to bet that the numbers say it isn't possible.

I never want to deal with mathematical equations like that ever again in my life ... It's amazing that you actually know somethin like that off the top of your head and USE IT!

And what if it is possible juddz? (which it is) Then what?

Thats just it, your going to hit it. Your speedo is off. your little car don't have the stuff to do it. You can video all you want, all it will show it how bad your speedo is off. If you really REALLY want to prove it get some one with a Z28 corvet hell a new mustang, to run with you with the video showing you holding up with him. I bet you don't make it past 120. Make sure the vid goes from his speedo to your car slow and steady so we don't think it was messed with.

Or you can just admit your lying and not put your self in dange.

What is everyones problem here, why would I lie about this? My speedo isnt off, since ive past cops and got pulled over for doing the speed I pasted them at. Hughes how serious are you about that 120 bet? I will post video surpassing 120, slowing down, stepping out of my car, and facing the camera to give you personally the finger. There has got to be someone on this forum who can back me up. No one has done it but me? Now thats impossible.

Well the first prob is that the speedo reaches only 140, secondly MSP ownershave difficulty hitting those speeds and even with your mods, you wouldnt out run an MSP

Mac I didnt say anything about out running a turbo car. I said I could and have hit 140, now I know nothing about speed limiters,rev limiters or governers. Dont know what years have or dont have what. There is no reason for me to lie about such a thing when I offered (and will get) prove.

your speedo can be right on at 60.70.80.90.100. But these cars are not ment to go that fast. They lack the aerodynamics for it, and the power.
Mac didn't say you said you beat a turbo. He said that the turbos have a problem hitting 130+.
Look at the video hiboost has out. his car is around 300 hp, he hit 130. You might have 120-125whp at the most. It's just imposible. The question shouldn't be whats wrong with us but whats wrong with you. Common sence should tell you if a MSP stock barly hits 130, you would have even more of a problem doing it.

So hughes can you tell me all your knowledge of limiters and governers? And what years, trannys, and engines they where on?

Nope! I don't know that. But what I do know is that my z28 had more that 3 times the power and alot better aerodynamics and a lot better gears. And all I got out of her was 147, but that was with the t-tops off! :bt: I do know some about power to weight, and I have had my pro to the point that it wouldn't go anymore. All I could get out of it was around 110, didnt hit a limiter or anything, it just would go any faster. And I'm not stock. There is a guy with the same mods minus the CAI (he still has the stock box in) and he dynoed around 125 whp. So I can guess I'm pretty close if not 1 or 2 hp more. So unless you have something that no one here knows about and it gives you a hell of a lot of HP you just can't do it.
I'm guessing you think I called you a lyer and in a way I did but not in the way you think. I didn't mean anything personally. I used my words poorly I guess. So I apologize.

Did you rock the mullet too, while driving your Z28 will the tops off? Anyway so by your last couple post no matter how much proof I give, your still not gonna believe me. It keeps pulling up till red line in 5th and I dont know why, but it does. I will still do it, look for it sunday-ish. Im out till then.

No mullet, I did have long hair in the 80s but you wouldn't know anything about them days, Your to young.

Ill semi back him up.
I was able to hit 115 in the 1.6l pro, where we are governed. I know there is no chance of it doing more but I can dream. I say the older body style is more areodynamic! Thats got to be it.

That and going downhill with the wind to your back helps alot. I would like to point out that I was going semi uphill ( a very small slant), Im hoping someone with like 50 more hp could do a bit better, what do we dyno at 70 ... less. I would like to point out that we have taken a v6 mustang well past 120 where the spedo ends, and were still accelerating hard, and thouse things are flying bricks.

Alright guys....
 

Ive spent the last couple days resizing my video trying to get it to fit so I can post for everyone to see. Ive had no luck, (not a computer guy). So to HUGHES, MAC, JUDDZ, JACKELOPE and anyone else. pm me with your email address and I will be happy to prove you guys wrong. Im sure this thread will die just like the last one, (MAC) when I showed proof.

Alright, I'll bite. You've got a PM. I vote we don't let this one die. I vote we keep it going....

Oh no, it wont die. I want to see what kind of car he had to back him up. I really hope I'm wrong, but Im not.

No pm hughes, whats up?

...I don't know if you sent it, but for some reason it did not come through. Please try again. So that it doesn't appear as spam, please title it "protege top speed" or something like that. Please note, I have a 10MB limit on my mail. So, please try to keep anything you send to around half that.

I didn't know you wanted MY e-mail. There has to be a way you can put it on this forum. I don't like giving out my stuff to basicly unkowns. I had to pay for a virus kill one, that hurt.

... you can send him a PM with your e-mail address in it. Your e-mail address will stay hidden from the rest of the people looking at this forum. I have done this a few times, while buying and selling stuff to other members. No problems, ever.

QWKSILVR02 e-mail it to me and Ill upload it to a server.

I resent Juddz. Zerocover you also have mail, thanks for hosting these for me.

...okay, here's the deal, everyone. QWKSILVR02 does have a video showing his car doing 135, at 6500rpm. So yes, the answer is, it will do it (with a few mods). I am amazed. But, man enough to admit when I am wrong. BTW, I know my cluster well enough to believe that the video could only have been shot in a Protege of some type.

I don't know why, but that bit about resenting me struck me as funny as sh!t. I am still chuckling about it...

Juddz.... Thank you! Apparently you didnt get the video with me getting out of the car. Zerocover should be posting that one. Thanks again... Oh and I hit 130 with no mods when i first got the car....

Oh good grief. I am POSITIVE I went 120+ in the P5 when she was stock. I also have done 135 in the sLOCUS, but it was turbo'd. I was amazed at how stable the Protege feels at top speed compared to the ZX3, which felt "floaty".

But, I guess I'm full of BS too, right?

...I suppose that depends on if you are able to send me a video as well...

Where were you last week when there was no one to back me up? but thank you phantom......Im glad everyone is finally starting to come around. but I do love proving people wrong :laugh2:

From what I read here you still haven't proven your original point

[QUOTE=juddz] Sadly, as I've long suspected, the top speed (in stock condition) was found to be 113mph. Using my mph guide that I did in Excel (and adjusting tire diameter smaller by 1.7mm to dial out the error margin to match my real-world data), I came up with a top speed of 116.6, if the car could pull 5500 rpm in top gear. QUOTE]

I feel ive proved my point, the video actually shows 130mph at 6000rpm. Which means I have 500rpm before redline and 1000rpm before the rev limiter. Which means my "claim" of 140mph is possible. My original point was that the tested 113mph was wrong and juddz calculations of 116mph were also wrong.... If you feel I havent "proved" my point, doesnt bother me. Like I said before I have no reason to lie about 140 cuz Ive seen and done it IN MY CAR.

No video...but there may be a blurry photo or two. Mind you, this was on a very long straight stretch of highway (which will remain undisclosed at this time) and it took a while to get it up to that speed. :bt:

If a p5 can do that much, what can a msp do? i've only had mine up to 105ish (in 4th) - someone didnt want me to pass ;)

Hey Jack....... Go drive your car. How will you know for sure what your car will do and can handle, if you dont do it yourself? Screw studies and comparos obviously they arent accurate. And I wouldnt ask anyone here (atleast on this thread) cause they know dont know everything (like they think they do,you know who you are). Just go drive your car that way know one can tell you different from what you have done and seen.