New Tuning Option for Mazdas
 

Moderators - just trying to be informative...not trying to sell.

SCT now has the Advantage software for 94-02 Mazda 626, Protege, MX6 and Ford Probes. There are 4 products:

4 program "flip" chips for the older EECIV/EECV with a J-3 connector.
The XCal1 flasher can be flashed with 3 programs.
The XCal2 flasher can be flashed with 3 programs. The XCal2 also has a built in datalogger and scan tool.
The Racer package which includes software for your specific PCM and a flasher or chip for your car.

The flashers are very easy to use since they reflash through the diag port = no parts to remove. They are VIN locked to the specific vehicle but can be unlocked if the original vehicle is returned to the stock program.

To reflash with the XCal1 or XCal2 requires stopping the vehicle, hooking up the flasher and making the change.

The chip requires removing the EEC and cleaning the port, installing the chip.
The 4-position chip and switch can be changed anytime on the fly.

BTW...thanks mattsstang87 for the invite. We are looking at getting the Mazdaspeed6 and I have been looking for "good" Mazda boards...

what kind of proof or anything do you have that this works on a 99-03 protege? Any dyno charts? What exactly do you adjust? How do you fine tune a car with additonal mods when you don't have the cars wideband print out from a dyno for testing?


p.s. You're more than welcome here but this thread was nothing but a sales push. You've not posted ANY information other than the fact that you claim to have the ability to create flashable programs for our cars. This is advertising. there's no other way it can be interperted. .

The software has already been tested by SCT. They successfully reflashed several Mazdas. It works. Nope, no dynos numbers. Need a local volunteer. I have already been contacted by a few in my area. Hopefully we can get them on the dyno soon.

Same stuff thats adjustable in the Ford version = just about everything is available.

Same way we have been doing it for Fords over the years. Try to remember the Ford world has been doing this type of tuning for at least 10 years now. The only thing that stopped the Mazdas was somebody spending the time and money to develop the specific software and working flash protocols. SCT finally did it for the Ford-based Mazda PCMs.

For bolt-ons in a Mass-Air car...little fine tuning is needed above the original performance program.

For the turbo/N2O/blower cars... The XCal1 and XCal2 can be loaded with programs that your tuner can send via e-mail. I have tuned many cars long distance with their wideband feedback I can send them changes over the net.

Or buy the Racer package and do it yourself. The Racer package is cheaper than any stand-alone system. It can be sent with a base program to get you started.

i'm very familiar with ford tuning. I've done a lot of 2.3L turbo ford stuff.

Once you get some dyno information up and can post proof of good gains I'm all for it.

BTW, maybe I missed it somewhere but I couldn't find any info on what a vendor needs to supply/apply to get Vendor status... Thx

email Ryan at admin@mazda3club.com Let him know you're interested in becoming a vendor. Just explain what it is you do. He shouldn't have any problems with it. He may want to keep your contact info on record in case people have problems with you in the future. (common protege problem).


What mazdas have you ACTUALLY used this product on? I know in theory it should work but no'ones done it yet that we know of. What is your experience tuning MAZDAS with this?

This would be a great product if indeed, it really works.
I realize the difficulty in working with Mazda software, and would love to see some real numbers.

please show some documented proof it works instead of just saying "it works"....once you have that -register as a vendor, and you will make tons of money here....

Wow, I am surprised by the doubt about it actually working. Its a Ford EEC= no big deal to flash. The only issue was somebody taking the time to translate the code into the software.

No prob. I am trying to find a couple of MI locals to work with.

We're only doubting you because even though there are hundreds of thousands of Mazda Proteges and 323s out there, no one's ever done it before that we know of.

has nothing to do with doubt....there are people that SAY those electric superchargers work...there's no proof of such, so obviously people are not inclined to buy the product...

there are cases of jet chips working on other cars, and they SAY they work on Mazda's,but no one has gotten them to work yet.....so we don't buy these either

so once again..show me proof it works, or let it go

Yeah, but that doesn't mean there was enough demand for tuning software to make the investment pay-off.

Jet and Electric Superchargers.... Heh, yep they belong in the same topic...

No prob I found a local guy with an MP3. We are going to try and get together tomorrow.

yeah man, we come off harsh but it's just because vendors rarely ever come through for us. The protege isn't even made anymore (2 years out) and we still have no EMS options other than full standalone.

Just as soon as you show good before and after dyno's I'll happily hand over money to you.

Also, if you do ford tuning I could use a new chip for my 1990 SHO.

I have an extra stock ECU I'd be willing to lend for this project if you're interested.

I think he's going to need a LOT of dyno time to get tuning to a decent level. This wont be something just as simple as throwing timing at it. Or ecu tuning stock sucks.

Yeah, I was just throwing it out there, just in case. I figured since he already has an MP3 he could swap out the ECUs to test it. But I just realized my ECU would throw a CEL on the MP3.
Might not matter, though.

nah, he should be able to set it to where it wont throw the cel.

What is the code off of it? Most likely we already have the strategy but I am still trying to identify any that we don't have.

Correct. It shouldn't be much different than the Fords when swapping EECs but I am not sure if anybody has done a Mazda with a different EEC in it.

Hopefully not too much. 99% of the technology for runner controls, variable valve timing etc... are used by Ford as well. There wil be some work involved for sure.

plan on doing something for 1.6er's(ZM-DE)...or are we left out again ???

Once we have some momentum with the supported MX6, 626, Protege, Probe and MPVs (yes MPVs) We can certainly add support for others.

Honestly, demand dictates supply in this case. Send me e-mails/PMs etc... asking for support and you'll get it.

Check Production #'s for 99-01 Protege's for 1.6L....We are in the majority !!

I will see what I can do...there are LOT's of 1.6L guys on msprotege

Unfortunately, production numbers are kind of irrelevant although I get your point...

What are we looking at for cost of these products?

*pricing will be determined AFTER results are available* ~ Matty

talk of price is worthless without having ANY actual results. Also this is blatent advertising now. This is getting ridiculous. You need to post some results and then we'll welcome you with open arms. Until then this sales info is going to be deleted.

Hmm, one could almost go there with the neverending WOMP threads...

irrelevant....this isnt msprotege....matty just beat me to it

you're absolutely correct except for the fact that I'm not a professional vendor. I'm an independent guy making something the community is asking for. This is neither my job nor my means of income. I'm not advertising a website where I sell other items nor am I making claims I can't back up with proof.

Also, for the past few weeks/months I've done nothing but say "updates coming, please wait".

Thanks for playing daddy but I've already got it covered.

Nothing like having a 4-post n00b chime in on something that he hasn't actually followed since inception.
This is hardly worthy of comparison.

:yelrotflm LOL

Actually I've read every single WOMP post. Just because someone lurks doesn't mean they haven't followed along.

Anyway, I did say you could ALMOST go there... Just wanted to stir the pot. :)

Greg

Well, you did, didn't you?
Mission accomplished.
Seriously, though, the WOMP thing is kind of a sensitive subject, because as I'm sure you have read then, Matty has put nothing but money and sweat into this project only to be bashed and crapped upon at every turn. If you really did read every post, you'd know that.
I hope petec comes up with something. I really do. It's much-needed for this community and it'd be great if he was successful.
Having said that, Matty has a point--a 'vendor' shouldn't advertise pricing for something that doesn't even exist.
It's a totally different thing from the WOMP.

I kind of understand your point but at the same time I wasn't specific...just ballpark. These guys just want to know that it will be less than $500 just like the rest of the SCT stuff out there = less than standalones which is prob the most popular/capable alternative.

Dyno numbers are a measurement of power gained, but isn't a true indicator of all benefits. Benefits to driveability, increased speed/rev limiters, shift firmness all add up to better performance without having to post "adds up to 75hp" like the rest of the overinflated ads out there.

We are getting with a local guy tomorrow night. Can I post anything about it without having dyno numbers???

I am trying not to spam, I personally despise spam but how in the hell do you inform without some specifics.

BTW, I did send an e-mail about Vendor status on 1/14 and have yet to get a reply. I am trying to play by the rules...

Just because nobody that posts here has it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It exists. The listed available models and years are just that...available.

I will go ahead and grant you Vendor status. You will need to send me a private message with your name, phone number (work), physical address and any other contact info you feel is important. We do this (and verify it) in order to protect our members from being scammed. It's happened a lot. We're pessimistic to say the least.

About the tuner...it HASNT been done yet and no'one we've worked with has been able to do it. The reason we're asking about HP gains and not driveability is because we have great driveability already...we need power. People pay for dyno numbers, they don't pay for "driveability". Our ecu's are VERY prohibitive to tuning. If you can produce 15whp from a handheld flasher You will make a fortune in this community. If you can provide ecu chips that will allow us to control boost without FMU's or voltage clamps you'll make a fortune. However, if you produce <10whp and only bump the rev/speed limiter then you're not going to do well here.

Our engines don't make a lot of power and the ECU is one of the main reasons. If you're effective (where no'one else ever has been) then you'll do fine.

Dyno info is crucial. It tells MANY things about your tuning ability. It tells how much power can be had with your product. It tells us what the expected AFR's will be. It gives us a clear idea of the newly adjusted power curve. It shows us exactly how much area under the curve there is. I could go on and on.... Dynos = very important.

locked until petec has vendor status....no need for further posts without actual numbers to back it up....

dyno's DO show more than horsepower gains...they show the entire power band and fuel air ratio's....people want to see it all

please email myself or matty after you have vendor status and thread will be unlocked