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rktktpaul May-27th-2004 04:22 PM

Would you lose the power steering completely if you mounted in the front of the engine bay? I'm thinking that power steering would be a preference to hang on to.

Mounting on or near the intake loses cruise and the strut bar. Cruise is no big deal; from what I'm familiar with MSPs, they don't have cruise either. Strut bar could be reconfigured to work.

Top mount I/C, kind of like the WRX?

juddz May-27th-2004 04:23 PM

I agree that the Jackson Focus unit is a bad one to emulate. Car and Driver did a road test on a supercharged Focus about a year ago. Jackson claimed something like 225hp, but the car was slower than the 170-hp SVT Focus. In fact, it couldn't even break the 8-second barrier to 60 miles per hour. Turns out the supercharger wasn't matched very well to the engine. There was a very narrow rpm range, where you'd get a tremendous amount of power. If I was anywhere near my giant collection of dog-eared magazines, I would let you know the date of the article plus more details.

Roddimus Prime May-27th-2004 04:26 PM

wow, I'd love to read that! something to think about is the focus has a huge powerband...something we dont.

rktktpaul May-27th-2004 04:30 PM


Originally posted by Roddimus Prime
Without a good Intercooler Power and boost levels will be limited. I would say 5-6psi on the M62 would be about tops. This should still add over 60whp.
I think thats a pretty respectable gain being non-intercooled. Add the header, cams, hi-flow DP and MP you're going to see some really good gains.

Maybe the way this should progress is to get this to a Stage I kit first, just to get the concept established and feasible. Once that's set, then you look at a Stage II with intercooling. Just a thought.

Roddimus Prime May-27th-2004 04:35 PM

yeah, I was thinking about that but I'm a little more cautious. I do not want ANY kit to be made without intercooling of some kind. I feel everything safety/reliability oriented should be addressed first....then we'll worry aboout adding boost. I think this is where a lot of people get it wrong and pop stuff.....also a header will probably come in the kit....still checking though.

rktktpaul May-27th-2004 04:37 PM

Found this:

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=1

Roddimus Prime May-27th-2004 04:48 PM

holy crap....their supercharged ZX3 is slower in the 1/4 mile than my stock P5?!?! What did he do wrong?!?! Will I find out in my own way?!?!

They said the M45 is only running 6psi...thats horrible it should at least be running 10psi...thats it's efficiency cross point...where it starts being counter-productive. I was hoping to run 6psi with the M62 if it works out.

rktktpaul May-27th-2004 04:51 PM

Nearly three grand for no real gains!




WOW!

Roddimus Prime May-27th-2004 04:53 PM

I can do better than that!

Racing Beat May-28th-2004 10:37 AM

di it to it Roddimus~! I am following this thread closely...as I was thinking about a low cost 6psi non intercooled turbo set up as well

Roddimus Prime May-28th-2004 11:01 AM

6psi with MP62 would HAVE to be intercooled or liqui-cooled. Too much heat...detonation would be a given.

Also, I'm not a fan of the Eaton's after seeing what all is involved with making them work, but it may be the least intrusive design.

03P5 May-28th-2004 01:09 PM

Link from Mazdamp3.com on a 2.0L Kit
 
www.boosthead.com

I don't know how much different the 626/Probe 2.0L is to ours, but the kit at least can provide a glimpse of what a intake mounted supercharger would look like on our cars.

I remember the headers for the Probe 2.0L were being made to fit our engines before any headers were available, so it should be close.

Just trying to help!

Ryan:)

Roddimus Prime May-28th-2004 01:22 PM

already looked into it...there's not as much clearance between the intake manifold/supercharger and the firewall.

Also, you would have to remove the strut bar and cruise control for this to even be close.

03P5 May-28th-2004 01:32 PM

The only other thing I was thinking about was the possibility of making the kit without the supercharger itself, allowing the end user to source his/her own Charger. Its not viable for you as someone wanting to sell kits, but Eatons can be found on Ebay for great prices.

03P5 May-28th-2004 01:34 PM

Just read your reply, and how bad is the clearance with the firewall? I'd gladly say goodbye to cruise and strut bar ( which could probably get modified ) for FI via a direct bolt on. Is the kit a straight fit aside from those issues?


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