Injen CAI / AEM Short Ram Question
March-10th-2002, 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by Maxx Mazda
Are you sure? I know of two "authorized" dealers right here in Calgary for sure. Anyone can get an intake from Injen, but these two I know for sure deal exclusevly with Injen, and stock ALOT of their product. Auto Zeal and RPM Racing in case you'd like to check.
Are you sure? I know of two "authorized" dealers right here in Calgary for sure. Anyone can get an intake from Injen, but these two I know for sure deal exclusevly with Injen, and stock ALOT of their product. Auto Zeal and RPM Racing in case you'd like to check.
Oops, sorry!
March-10th-2002, 10:03 PM
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I am just saying show me the dyno sheets and then we'll see which is better...I understand the scientific evidence that colder air is better for engine performance however since nowbody has dyno results you shouldn't be saying that the injen is better. I have felt my pipe after driving and its not hot at all. I can put my hand on it and leave it there. I never felt the plastic from the original intake system so I can't say if that was hot or not. I do know that AEM treats the pipe with a heat resistant coating however. The AEM install if easier than the injen. You shouldn't treat everyone with such hostility maxx...I am not going to buy the injen until it is proven that it is better....the only results we have is for the RSX type S and That is not a Protege nor a Mazda last I checked.....
March-10th-2002, 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by Maxx Mazda
Ok, just TRY an Injen for a short time. First, drive for about an hour with your stock intake. Then, be sure to feel the intake manifold for temperature, and also be sure to notice that plastic tends to hold heat alot better than metal. (Metal is easier to lose the heat.)
Now, put on an Injen, and drive for about an hour in the same conditions. Feel the intake and the intake manifold. The difference is night and day.
Please, it makes simple sense. You're not getting air from the engine compartment, but instead from a cold wheelwell... Hmmmmmmm... Ok, children, which air is warmer?
Gold star to everyone who guessed the engine air!
Ok, just TRY an Injen for a short time. First, drive for about an hour with your stock intake. Then, be sure to feel the intake manifold for temperature, and also be sure to notice that plastic tends to hold heat alot better than metal. (Metal is easier to lose the heat.)
Now, put on an Injen, and drive for about an hour in the same conditions. Feel the intake and the intake manifold. The difference is night and day.
Please, it makes simple sense. You're not getting air from the engine compartment, but instead from a cold wheelwell... Hmmmmmmm... Ok, children, which air is warmer?
Gold star to everyone who guessed the engine air!
You write as though everyone on this board is an idiot but you. have you tried the AEM? It may bear results equal to or better than the Injen. Nothing about the mechanics of a car is simple and straightforward. There are definately certain cars where a short RAM will give better results than a CAI. A wheelwell is not exactly a location being packed with tonnes of cold air. If you make a scoop like jcilforever, it is a slightly different situation but otherwise that wheelwell is not necessarily a "cold wheelwell". The air in the engine compartment is constantly being replaced with outside air. You know the opening where the stock intake got it's air? Well now that entire 2 foot opening is letting in a whole lot of cold outside air into the engine bay. It is no coincidence that that is also the location where outside air resistance is greatest. That causes a whole lot of air to get forced into that engine bay. Will a dyno measure that, probably not. Did you think of that?
Maybe AEM actually did some research and didn't just assume that a filter in the wheelwell is necessarily better, as it appears you have. A big company has some reputation to keep and can easily afford a little bit of research. It looks to me like they did test a CAI and had no gains with it. It takes no time at all for a company like that to make a prototype for such a simple CAI. Since they could have charged more for a CAI rather than a short ram, it would have been in ther best interests to make a CAI, but they didn't. I guess they wanted to offer better performance.
Of course the Injen is better than the stock intake, thats a no brainer. Much less in a freezing Canadian winter. I have the stock intake right now and I felt my throttle body and intake piping. It was f@#king cold. I didn't stand there and stare at it for frost to form, it's too damn cold out there.
I'm not saying the Injen is not a great product but it may not be the greatest. AEM may not be the greatest either. Try to keep an open mind. Maybe the future Iceman using stock intake parts will be the best. That would really undermine your previous comments. Since no one has the cash to buy all the different intakes and dyno all of them we have to rely on dyno testing and R&D by the performance companies.
My $0.02...
March-10th-2002, 10:31 PM
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I have the MonsterFlow which is a short ram and it seems to work very well. There was a post a while back, and I think I remember reading it from sports compact car mag which tested max airflow @ different parts of a car. (base of the windshield, bottom of engine compartment, beside the rad, tirewell etc. The wheelwell was not that great of an area if I remeber correctly.??
A lot of dead air. Although on my 88 Mustang GT I removed the airbox and got quite a bit of improvement, but the front fogs feed air directly to the intake.
Hard to dyno the intake too, the car is static on the drums so I imagine getting a true reading may be hard.
Don
A lot of dead air. Although on my 88 Mustang GT I removed the airbox and got quite a bit of improvement, but the front fogs feed air directly to the intake.
Hard to dyno the intake too, the car is static on the drums so I imagine getting a true reading may be hard.
Don
March-11th-2002, 02:12 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joe_Pro5
[B]Another thing... when I was at the shop (JRP, it's the only Injen Authorized Dealer in Canada), he said if I waited a while AEM might have their CAI out by then!!!!!! He said he was under the impressiont they weren't making them either, but he received a "New Product Package" for the Protege5 AEM CAI.
I am sitting here looking at the 2002 AEM Catalog and
By the way The Injen is priced at RD6060P 2.0L $224.00US
and the AEM short ram (as there is no CAI) 22-481** (** means Short ram only) $216.61US
IF they are than it is not in the AEM 2002 Catalog (all they did was add the P5 to their list.)
Also they stole Injen's filter design and are now saying that the new filter gets 1-3 more HP surrrrrprise surrrrrrrprise it is the Injen filter and it is blah blah urethane surrrrprise so is Injen's. The thing I can not figure out is why it is black and says AEM on it oh I guess they did not want to be to obvious. Well if you can't beat'em join'em.
Here is the link http://www.aempower.com/new_product.htm
I am not trying to be negative I am trying to get people to think.
I to would like to see some dynos
[B]Another thing... when I was at the shop (JRP, it's the only Injen Authorized Dealer in Canada), he said if I waited a while AEM might have their CAI out by then!!!!!! He said he was under the impressiont they weren't making them either, but he received a "New Product Package" for the Protege5 AEM CAI.
I am sitting here looking at the 2002 AEM Catalog and
By the way The Injen is priced at RD6060P 2.0L $224.00US
and the AEM short ram (as there is no CAI) 22-481** (** means Short ram only) $216.61US
IF they are than it is not in the AEM 2002 Catalog (all they did was add the P5 to their list.)
Also they stole Injen's filter design and are now saying that the new filter gets 1-3 more HP surrrrrprise surrrrrrrprise it is the Injen filter and it is blah blah urethane surrrrprise so is Injen's. The thing I can not figure out is why it is black and says AEM on it oh I guess they did not want to be to obvious. Well if you can't beat'em join'em.
Here is the link http://www.aempower.com/new_product.htm
I am not trying to be negative I am trying to get people to think.
I to would like to see some dynos
Last edited by jcilforever; March-11th-2002 at 02:28 AM.
March-11th-2002, 02:34 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by don668
[B] The wheelwell was not that great of an area if I remeber correctly.??
A lot of dead air.
A little imagination and fabrication and you have a scoop to bring the cold air into the wheelwell and if you design it well it keeps the filter dry.
[B] The wheelwell was not that great of an area if I remeber correctly.??
A lot of dead air.
A little imagination and fabrication and you have a scoop to bring the cold air into the wheelwell and if you design it well it keeps the filter dry.
March-11th-2002, 02:49 PM
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very true,
there is a small scoop to feed air to the tranny which may(?) help the shorty intakes too. Have had good luck with the MonsterFlow. Pipe never seems to get warm.
I think the point is Anything to get rid of the stock box, silencer, and plastic piping is going to help somewhat.
Don
there is a small scoop to feed air to the tranny which may(?) help the shorty intakes too. Have had good luck with the MonsterFlow. Pipe never seems to get warm.
I think the point is Anything to get rid of the stock box, silencer, and plastic piping is going to help somewhat.
Don
March-11th-2002, 03:21 PM
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What's all the fuss about? Neither intake makes enough of a difference in power production to matter much. Get the one you like the looks, or the price of better. Until someone does back to back dyno tests, on the same car, on the same dyno, none of the intakes came claim to be better than the others. If you need to feel the one you have is better in order to justify your purchase, by all means, feel free. Don't try to convince everyone else your theory is correct though. Touching the pipe or intake manifold with one intake or another is less than a scientific test, and proves nothing.The best value for the money is probably a K&N drop in, as it doesn't cost much and probably only gives up 1 or 2 HP, if any, to the other more expensive intakes. I have tried two of the other three intakes and I can't tell the difference, other than looks. As for sound, I can't hear them over my Bosal exhaust anyway.
