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Roddimus Prime August-21st-2007 11:25 AM

you're 100% correct! You'd also need 100% full fuel and timing control.

JoshP5 August-21st-2007 11:38 AM

I'd like to see it done, but without controlling valve lift and timing as a function of engine speed, there's no way to get both a decent bottom end and 100hp/liter up top. Not with just AFR/ignition timing control.

Wow, this is OT...maybe we should start an FS-DE pipe dream thread? :)

Roddimus Prime August-21st-2007 11:48 PM

Well, it's not THAT far from believable...If a Sport20 makes 170bhp with a modified intake manifold and SLIGHTLY upgraded intake camshaft why wouldn't a completely upgraded top end package yield 30-50hp?

To make power you need 3 things....Insane breathing ability, fuel and spark. I'll give you all of those if you wanna come and stay with me for a week or two. (and pay for the parts). Labor is on me.

JoshP5 August-22nd-2007 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by Roddimus Prime (Post 389825)
If a Sport20 makes 170bhp with a modified intake manifold and SLIGHTLY upgraded intake camshaft why wouldn't a completely upgraded top end package yield 30-50hp?

That may be entirely possible--I'm just saying it will come at the expense of bottom end.

One more thing you need for power--that's speed. Power is work per unit time, so the faster you spin the more power you'll make, as long as the other elements that you indicated can keep up.

Ken@ProtegeGarage September-8th-2007 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by Roddimus Prime (Post 389825)
Well, it's not THAT far from believable...If a Sport20 makes 170bhp with a modified intake manifold and SLIGHTLY upgraded intake camshaft why wouldn't a completely upgraded top end package yield 30-50hp?

To make power you need 3 things....Insane breathing ability, fuel and spark. I'll give you all of those if you wanna come and stay with me for a week or two. (and pay for the parts). Labor is on me.


the FSZE has alot more than just cams and a manifold to make 40 more hp than a FSDE...

KrayzieFox September-8th-2007 07:58 PM

Where the hell did Ken come from anyway?! Welcome back man .. glad to see you're still alive.


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