Clutchless Shifting?
July-18th-2002, 09:47 PM
#16
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Originally posted by rodslinger
[Buzzer sound].... Incorrect contestant #1. You can shift without using the clutch and suffer no ill effects on the transmission. This includes upshifting, downshifting or just coming out of gear. Damage is done by someone that doesn't know what the hell they are doing. If you match revs it will slide right in. Don't force it. If you force it and don't have the revs matched, then you can cause damage.
[Buzzer sound].... Incorrect contestant #1. You can shift without using the clutch and suffer no ill effects on the transmission. This includes upshifting, downshifting or just coming out of gear. Damage is done by someone that doesn't know what the hell they are doing. If you match revs it will slide right in. Don't force it. If you force it and don't have the revs matched, then you can cause damage.
I'm aware of that. I do it in my car actually. However, from the original post, I gathered that the guy asking wasn't doing it correctly, so I figured that I'd better set him straight before he hurts something. I guess I just worded it wrong.
July-18th-2002, 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by sunbyrne
Maybe in New Jersey, but I don't think that's true in all U.S. states and Canadian provinces.
Maybe in New Jersey, but I don't think that's true in all U.S. states and Canadian provinces.
July-19th-2002, 07:35 PM
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The illegal part in Texas, and the entire intent of the law, is to prevent people from going downhill in neutral. The law is actually aimed more towards people driving larger vehicles (commercial trucks) from going out of control on steep grades.
July-20th-2002, 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by kc5zom
The illegal part in Texas, and the entire intent of the law, is to prevent people from going downhill in neutral. The law is actually aimed more towards people driving larger vehicles (commercial trucks) from going out of control on steep grades.
The illegal part in Texas, and the entire intent of the law, is to prevent people from going downhill in neutral. The law is actually aimed more towards people driving larger vehicles (commercial trucks) from going out of control on steep grades.
August-19th-2002, 11:44 PM
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Re: Clutchless Shifting?
Originally posted by Maxx Mazda
Well, not shifting, really, but taking it out of gear without using the clutch. I do it fast enough that it just comes out of gear, and doesn't grind or anything like that. It all sounds and feels normal. Sometimes I just don't feel like pushing the clutch in to take it outta gear. You know, those early mornings, heading to work with about 5 hours of sleep under your belt. Simply put, will this hurt my tranny, or am I ok? Thanks!
Well, not shifting, really, but taking it out of gear without using the clutch. I do it fast enough that it just comes out of gear, and doesn't grind or anything like that. It all sounds and feels normal. Sometimes I just don't feel like pushing the clutch in to take it outta gear. You know, those early mornings, heading to work with about 5 hours of sleep under your belt. Simply put, will this hurt my tranny, or am I ok? Thanks!
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August-20th-2002, 01:53 AM
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I say just use the damn clutch, its so damn easy, and its there to be used....
yeah allot of ppl coast, especially allot of younger drivers!!!
I personally don't think I've ever coasted, cuz with the car on I never put it into neutral unless at a complete stop, or stopped at some lights and I don't ant to hold the clutch down.
My style is to downshift when coming to a stop not coast, but how I do it, is this:
3rd to 2nd while slowing or stoping
4th to 2nd while stoping if rpm is less than 3000
4th to 3rd while slowing if rpm is higher than 3000
5th to 3rd while stoping if rpm is lower than 3000
5th to 4th while slowing if rpm is higher than 3000
notice i used stoping or slowing there....so 2 different situations
i dunno if by me changing the gears like that (4th to 2nd or 5th to 3rd) skipping a gear, will damage the tranny, but it all seems good for now.
If i ever do see the engine rev close to the redline while downshifting to stop, I quickly level off the clutch so that it won't go any higher
well thats how i do it....if my way is wrong just tell me
yeah allot of ppl coast, especially allot of younger drivers!!!
I personally don't think I've ever coasted, cuz with the car on I never put it into neutral unless at a complete stop, or stopped at some lights and I don't ant to hold the clutch down.
My style is to downshift when coming to a stop not coast, but how I do it, is this:
3rd to 2nd while slowing or stoping
4th to 2nd while stoping if rpm is less than 3000
4th to 3rd while slowing if rpm is higher than 3000
5th to 3rd while stoping if rpm is lower than 3000
5th to 4th while slowing if rpm is higher than 3000
notice i used stoping or slowing there....so 2 different situations
i dunno if by me changing the gears like that (4th to 2nd or 5th to 3rd) skipping a gear, will damage the tranny, but it all seems good for now.
If i ever do see the engine rev close to the redline while downshifting to stop, I quickly level off the clutch so that it won't go any higher
well thats how i do it....if my way is wrong just tell me
August-20th-2002, 05:26 PM
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another good reason not to hold onto the shifter all the time:
i rearended someone in my old bmw 318i and had my hand on the shifter - not only did completly **** up my wrist but the impact bent the shifter into the console and pulled the linkage apart and basically destroyed the transmission. amazing what a body pumped full of adrenaline will do!
i rearended someone in my old bmw 318i and had my hand on the shifter - not only did completly **** up my wrist but the impact bent the shifter into the console and pulled the linkage apart and basically destroyed the transmission. amazing what a body pumped full of adrenaline will do!
August-21st-2002, 03:51 AM
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coasting
Coasting IS NOT ILLEGAL!! If it were there wouldnt be a coast button on your cruise control. However, coasting with the engine off is(for obvious brake and steering reasons). And that is how coasting is defined by the DPS. Coasting to us is just putting it in neutral. Even automatic cars coast when you are driving, while coming down a hill the tranny will go into neutral for a few seconds before downshifting.
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August-21st-2002, 10:15 PM
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I coast a little bit when coming to a stop. Usually after downshifting to 3rd. I figure replacing brake pads is cheaper than replacing the clutch.
Besides, your brake lights don't come on when you engine brake. There's a reason for those brake lights you know.
Oh well, to each his (or her) own.
Besides, your brake lights don't come on when you engine brake. There's a reason for those brake lights you know.
Oh well, to each his (or her) own.
August-21st-2002, 10:25 PM
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now that i have my racing pedals i can heal-toe, so when ever i am comming to a stop i heal-toe to 3rd and then go into N when my RPM's hits 1000 and by that time i should be going less than 20KPH?
before when i had the stock pedals (too far apart and too small to heal-toe) i would brake to slow down, stop brakeing, clutch-downshift/blip throttle/release clutch, and start brakeing again LOL my brake lights would be flashing if you saw this from behind, ppl gave me weird looks
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before when i had the stock pedals (too far apart and too small to heal-toe) i would brake to slow down, stop brakeing, clutch-downshift/blip throttle/release clutch, and start brakeing again LOL my brake lights would be flashing if you saw this from behind, ppl gave me weird looks
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August-21st-2002, 10:46 PM
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August-22nd-2002, 01:32 AM
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ZeroSpeed, call up the DMV tomarrow. It is illegal for you to take the car out of gear while driving (aka neutral). This does not include using the clutch. It is impossible to catch you in the act so don't worry about a ticket but it is still illegal.
BTW, automatics don't put the car in neutral when you take your foot off the gas, they switch gears but for all intensive purposes the tranny is automatically engaging the cluth for you.
BTW, automatics don't put the car in neutral when you take your foot off the gas, they switch gears but for all intensive purposes the tranny is automatically engaging the cluth for you.
August-23rd-2002, 12:50 AM
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Re: coasting
Originally posted by zer0_speed
Coasting IS NOT ILLEGAL!! If it were there wouldnt be a coast button on your cruise control. However, coasting with the engine off is(for obvious brake and steering reasons). And that is how coasting is defined by the DPS. Coasting to us is just putting it in neutral. Even automatic cars coast when you are driving, while coming down a hill the tranny will go into neutral for a few seconds before downshifting.
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Coasting IS NOT ILLEGAL!! If it were there wouldnt be a coast button on your cruise control. However, coasting with the engine off is(for obvious brake and steering reasons). And that is how coasting is defined by the DPS. Coasting to us is just putting it in neutral. Even automatic cars coast when you are driving, while coming down a hill the tranny will go into neutral for a few seconds before downshifting.
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Coasting is illegal.
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