120fwhp & 125tq
 

Dyno sheets coming soon!:D

any mods?

Yes! Click here--> http://www.redshark1.com/phantom.html:D

Since the 3rd gen Engine..*pics added! Warning to dial-up*
 

Here's my dyno sheet from Saturday:

http://www.redshark1.com/phantom_dyno120.jpg

I had them print out the new dyno vs. the old one, just to show the changes.

Mods are headers, cams, exhaust, and intake.

Karen

very nice, is it a five speed or auto? just curious :) O yeah and you said cams as a mod, thats cam shafts or gears?

WoW
 

I'm impressed. What kind of headers, Karen? Just curious....

Nice car, nice HP/TQ numbers!

Jim

PS - Justin, it's camshafts, not gears... and it's a 5spd manual.

Re: WoW
 

Yep, 5-speed.

I have the j-spec and MazdaSpeed intake & exhaust camshafts, the Bosal Probe/Mx-6 long tube headers, and a Magnaflow exhaust. There's still some work to do, but it's already a lot more peppy than it was!

Karen

Cool
 

Whereabout's did you get the headers.. might I ask? Price?

Thanks,
Jim

Which protege do you have?
 

Just wanna know which protoge you have. is it a 2.0, 1.8 ... Thats it! nice numbers!:spank:

Mack-got the headers from Racer Parts Wholesale, $312 shipped.

Daniel-I have the 2.0l Protege5

Thanks everyone!:D

23 hp is a decent increase...and like you said it's definatly peepier!
Are you gonna run the 1/4 mi again to see E.T. with the mods? If so, let us know!!!
Just 1 Q...What is the difference in drivability...just for intrest sake...do you find the power is still as linear and across the entire powerband?
Anyways...props :bigthumb:

with the new header, are you running a performance cat?

good gains, but I noticed a few things:

dip between 3200-3700rpm... not good
slope off at 6000rpm

thanks for helping me further conclude that the FS-ZE intake manifold is worth it and helps smooth out the curve for a broad, yet linear powerband

the more dynos we get (from anyone), the better research info we get to know what works and what doesn't :bt:

>I plan on running it again as soon as the track opens up. I'm shooting for low-mid 16s because I still need some practice launching ;)

>>It seems to have a lot more power everwhere. I still need to drive it for a few more days to see what really has changed. As always, with all the new mods it's gotten, I've sorta been bumped from the driver's seat! But it's all good.

>>>No performance cat right now, I need to look into one of those. Right now we just have 1 resonator and the Magnaflow muffler. It sounds really mean too! Not ricey at all.

>>>>I'm not sure about the dips and stuff in the graph. It seems as though all of the 'low' hp cars have some sort of strange dip and wiggle on this dynojet. *at least it is not as 'wiggly' as the stock dyno*

>>>>>I looked at the intake manifold, but for $530 it just wasn't in my budget. We are looking into getting ours extrude-honed. I'll keep ya posted on that, of course!

Did I miss anything?:D

from reading on the board, don't get it extrude-honed. something about it just won't work and be worth the money. so you are running no cats right now, do you have a CEL

No CEL/MIL;) yet...*knocks on wood*

I don't really have any more $$ to put into it right now anyway, except maybe for some springs to give the Phantom that aggressive stance it needs! LOL

Two questions if they aren't too prying.

What was the total cost, parts and install.
Could you provide a butt dyno estimate of what each mod was the most noticable when it was done? (This obviously doesn't apply if you did them all at once)
Stocker.
Thanks

my question is are you using o2 sensor defeaters or are the sensors just not hooked up or what???only reason i am asking is i really want to do the custom header, but if i don't need a cat to keep the cel/mil off than i'm not gona spend the money on buying one.(i don't care about the legal aspects of it)

Yeah, I was wondering about that too, How did you manage to bypass the O2 sensors? Also, how was the header's fitment, alot of modification or no?

First off, the cams seemed to make the biggest difference. For the money, it seems like the best mod short of a power adder. It pulls much stronger in the higher rpms and 4th gear seems useful for acceleration. The long tube headers were really not worth the expense and effort, but I wouldn't say they were useless. I think the true value of the headers have yet to be found. As power levels increase, the headers will show their true worth. :bt:
*The headers were also a major pain to install because there were several unexpected modifications including welding, cutting, drilling, and bleeding!*

As for the CEL/MIL, most of the problems can be avoided by spacing the o2 sensors farther apart. Since the header had no provision for a second o2 sensor, we determined that extending the wiring harness and moving the second o2 sensor just forward of the front cross-member might prevent the light. So far it has been proven correct. The EGR was also disconnected for the install. We fully intend to remedy these emissions issues before driving on public highways.:eek: Neither seems to have caused any ill effects.

Cost:
headers-$312 shipped
cams-$347 shipped
o2 bung-$7
misc. hardware-$5
labor-the pain of marriage;) (hubby and friends did it)

Some day we'll be glad that we did it! The BLING factor is nice!

Here are some pics of the engine bay before headers:
http://www.redshark1.com/p5_before.JPG
The headers:
http://www.redshark1.com/p5_headers.JPG
After installation:
http://www.redshark1.com/p5_after.JPG

Stay tuned for complete write-up on the cam and header install.

Cams & Headers, the pics!
 

http://www.redshark1.com/cams1.JPG

http://www.redshark1.com/cams2.JPG

http://www.redshark1.com/cams3.JPG

http://www.redshark1.com/cams4.JPG

http://www.redshark1.com/headers1.JPG

http://www.redshark1.com/headers2.JPG

http://www.redshark1.com/headers3.JPG

http://www.redshark1.com/headers4.JPG

I was going to do a full write-up on this install for those that are interested. Post here if you think it would be helpful.

yes very helpful

Does anyone else want to see the complete write-up?

What ????? Nice numbers. Where did you get the Bosal header? So thats with the cams and all the other jazz...damn !!!!! thats great stuff. Let me know on the header.

I would definitely like to see a complete write-up...I am impressed :D

The header is from Racer Parts Wholesale. They had Bosal drop ship it to me.:D

Yes! Write up everything.

Okay! I'll get the man (not The Man) to write-up what they did and we'll either post it in this forum, or post the link if it's really large.

Thanks!

Karen

I'd love to see a write up on the cams. That seems like a very cost effective mod. How many man/hours of labor are involved?

cam install
 

My cam install went pretty smoothly. After I got through a little alignment issue, it was fairlt easy. Took about 3-4 hrs. The longest part was just taking everything off and torquing the bolts back a quarter turn at a time. If I did it again, I could probably do it in about 21/2-3 hrs. Well worth it. One of the best mods I have done to date on this car.

This is what the Banana sounds like on the dyno:

*3.4MB*
http://www.redshark1.com/Banana_dyno120.WMV

is there going to be a write up on the installation how to's and don't for the cams and other mods???? Please..come on....i'll be your friend.........

LOL

Yep, just have to get my man off his arse...:D

Guys, the cam issue was addressed early last year. I think it's been written up already. Do a search. Also, if anyone is interested, I'll still make someone a shorty header with a badass ceramic coating that will hook up to the stock EGR and use the factory O2 sensor in the factory location. I made a couple last year, but I've been off the boards for a while. If you want to see a few pics, go here: http://www.geocities.com/traveler12820/robsprotege.html
Got to 'ceramic header pics'.

I'm interested in the header.....how much? Serious inquiry!!!!! By the looks of the header it seems well designed. Does this header bolt to the stock primary cat? Or does it bypass the cat? It doesn't matter too me.....loosing the primary cat is way better.

It appears to bolt to the primary cat, so I don't think it illiminates it. He gained around 6hp and 8lb/ft of torque and some impressive gas mileage gains with it though. Mate this with a much better downpipe and the exhaust would be pretty decent despite its two cats...

I actually have a better downpipe. By the way, if anyone wants the flanges to make your own custom down pipe and cat forward (anymuffler shop can make it for you, but they WILL NOT make a flange or tell you where to get one) then I can get them for $20 plus postage. 3/8" thick with a 2.1 inch opening that works well with 2.25" pipe. Then you use a die grinder in the cat opening to enlarge it from the stock 1.7 or so to 2.05-2.1. That's what I did to mine.

bosal header
 

i found the bosal header part# 111-252, my question here is did it fit direct, i see an extension pipe on the end also so i am wonder about modifications.
thanx

To everyone who has asked:
 

The header for the 93-95 Probe/MX-6 4cyl bolts right to the head. No modifications are needed for the bolt holes there. The EGR cannot be used without making a small section of copper or other high temp tubing since the location of the EGR nipple on the header is completely wrong as is the angle. It does not appear that the threads are the same for the two anyway. We opted to cap it off and not use it.

The real problem comes under the car. The header should come in two different sections. There is a separate section that has the exhaust hanger on it. Rather than cutting the stock piece with the secondary catalytic converter, we cut the new piece between the flange and the hanger and extended it by welding a section of pipe in. The section needs to be extended by approximately 15.5 inches. If possible, you should create this piece while it is on the car so that the angles of the flanges mate up properly. This second section of pipe is where we determined that we would weld in the second EGR bung, which can be purchased at any muffler shop. I chose to mount it there instead of in the header itself for two reasons. The first is that mounting it there allows extra distance between the O2 sensors and decreases the chance and frequency of getting a CEL/MIL on the dash. The second reason is that I did not want to weld on the header section itself. This would cause corrosion issues on the nicely coated header and I wanted to make sure that it was on a piece that was more easily replaced. By mounting the second O2 sensor in this section, you are required to extend the wiring harness. Make sure that you use good connectors and route the wiring away from any hot exhaust pieces.

This mod is best done on a lift if you have one and you must be able to weld or have someone that will weld for you. Depending on where you live, some muffler shops will not touch a car that has removed the catalytic converters. This method for installation does remove BOTH of the cats. We are considering putting in a high flow cat at a later date.

Hopefully this helps you in your decision.