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jedwards242000 February-8th-2004 10:19 PM

home made short shifter question
 
i was wandering if it would work if i used a hack saw and cut my stock shifter to a lower point
i already have an aftermarket shift knob so i could glue that in place.
hell i already have a hacksaw so i thought this would be the cheapest way i wouldn't even have to take the shifter out.
would this work?

skr33t_rac3r February-9th-2004 07:46 AM

it wouldnt make the throw shorter just the length

Liquid_Ag February-9th-2004 08:56 AM

its also very unsafe. dont be cheap man, spend a little bit of money and be safe

Pro2Go February-9th-2004 09:01 AM

Actually if you think about it it would make the actual throw shorter.

If you look at a short throw shifter, all it is, is a stock shifter, shorter ABOVE the pivot point.

Since the area above the pivot point is shorter, it makes the throws necessary to engage each gear shorter.

Why wouldn't this be safe? So long as he doesn't change anything BELOW the pivot point it'll act the same as a stock shifter... just shorter.

fst323 February-9th-2004 09:58 AM


Originally posted by Pro2Go
Actually if you think about it it would make the actual throw shorter.

If you look at a short throw shifter, all it is, is a stock shifter, shorter ABOVE the pivot point.

Since the area above the pivot point is shorter, it makes the throws necessary to engage each gear shorter.

Why wouldn't this be safe? So long as he doesn't change anything BELOW the pivot point it'll act the same as a stock shifter... just shorter.

agreed. this was a popular method among the RA64 Celica guys, as no one made a short-shifter for them. :)

greenlantern94 February-9th-2004 10:27 AM

alright, well, i'm offically confused. some people say shortening the length of the top of the shifter isn't really a "short throw shifter." they say that a true STS changes the fulcrom point of the lever. however, other people say by changing the fulcrom point it damages your tranny.

now, the way i see it, a STSs purpose is to make the distance your arm has to move, shorter. this makes for faster shifts. i know for a fact that the protege uses rods from the lever to the trans. so by changing the length of the lever below the fulcrom point it would screw with the trans.

i read somewhere that a "true short shifter changes the distance the trans has to move between gears" well, this makes no f***ing sense at all because thats impossible!!

Liquid_Ag February-9th-2004 04:45 PM

its not safe because it makes it VERY easy to miss a gear, and go into a gear other than intended. which is bad.

Protoss February-9th-2004 08:38 PM


Originally posted by iwokeupfrmadrea
its not safe because it makes it VERY easy to miss a gear, and
go into a gear other than intended. which is bad.

Robert you are blowing more smoke out of your ass than somone running for a government position! Ok short shifters are fine. Robert is being moronic.

the thing that make a short shifter short is the pivot. lengthen the bottom of the shifter so that less throw is nessicery. you only need to lengthen about 1/4-1/2 inch. any more and bad shit start to happen.

Incase you didn'y know robert that is the theroy behind the short shifter you have in your car!!! Don't Bullshit or guessitmate. and yes if you extend the shifter too far you start altering the shifter geometry, and thus fuck up your car. eveything in moderation, most people aren't going to drop the pivot point more than 1/2".

Macklum is rocking a homemade short shifter. and i like it more than the kartboy.

Pro2Go February-10th-2004 08:34 AM

I'd still feel safer with the hacksaw. Shorten the top, leave the bottom alone. Then you can shorten it as much as you desire.

Liquid_Ag February-11th-2004 07:48 AM


Originally posted by Protoss
Robert you are blowing more smoke out of your ass than somone running for a government position! Ok short shifters are fine. Robert is being moronic.

the thing that make a short shifter short is the pivot. lengthen the bottom of the shifter so that less throw is nessicery. you only need to lengthen about 1/4-1/2 inch. any more and bad shit start to happen.

Incase you didn'y know robert that is the theroy behind the short shifter you have in your car!!! Don't Bullshit or guessitmate. and yes if you extend the shifter too far you start altering the shifter geometry, and thus fuck up your car. eveything in moderation, most people aren't going to drop the pivot point more than 1/2".

Macklum is rocking a homemade short shifter. and i like it more than the kartboy.

have you not seen the vid of the guy that misshifts, and ends up totalling his car? he had a hommade short shifter, and it failed on him, making the gear selection process. i have a short shifter ass munch :p i just am saying that in something this important, i think its important not to cheap out, rather to spend a lil more money to insure your safety, but thats just me

Pro2Go February-11th-2004 09:45 AM

Well if he totaled his car because of a misshift... he was doing something seriously wrong...

Liquid_Ag February-11th-2004 01:10 PM

^^^ it over revved the engine, causing sever compression braking leading to the wheels locking up causing a loss of control

macdaddyslomo February-11th-2004 02:39 PM

well seeing that the MP3 shifter is just shorter on the top and comes from the factory like that, i would have tho agree that while his method is a bit ghetto, it shouldnt be unsafe, except of course if the shift knob comes off...a better idea would be to cut off how much you want, then rethread the top so the shift knob will screw on...just a suggestion

Liquid_Ag February-11th-2004 02:45 PM


Originally posted by macdaddyslomo
well seeing that the MP3 shifter is just shorter on the top and comes from the factory like that, i would have tho agree that while his method is a bit ghetto, it shouldnt be unsafe, except of course if the shift knob comes off...a better idea would be to cut off how much you want, then rethread the top so the shift knob will screw on...just a suggestion
^^ i think that is the safest option

macdaddyslomo February-11th-2004 05:19 PM

lol, thanks for the vote of confidence...Ryan didnt make me a moderator for nothing


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