Help! Civic wants to race me....
 

like i said before i use to run 14.8's on my civic......At school everyday on the way home at 10pm my classmates schedules streetrace almost every Wednesday. After i sold my civic they never ask me to go with them anymore cuz im driving my 323....Well i couldn't accept the fact that my car cant hang with a stock civic ex so now im doing the dohc swap.
I just want to make sure that my car would be able to beat a civic ex with just intake. This civic is prolly hitting 17's on a quarter mile. and i want to be sure i can take 'em.....here's what i have :
bp 1.8 dohc engine
K&N filter
im using my stock tranny (sohc tranny) and i talk to the guy who got the same set up and he's hitting 16.6 1/4 mile. thats kinda slow. o yeah how much does my car weigh stock anyways? I have a 91 323 hatchback

Maybe you should be glad you don't get invited to street races anymore.... be happy that your face doesn't become one with a street lamp pole or, better yet, an innocent victim.

I've heard the spiel that "we can race safely before". :rolleyes:

And then I got to see his name in the obituaries next week :mad:

agreed. :)

I'd say around 2100-2300lbs in that area. Yes, a 16.6 is slow for that setup. I think a stock 1st gen LX would run DAMN close to that so you should be running in the high 15s or better with that setup.

does anybody knows how much stock 1 gen pro 1.6 SOCH LX runs on 1/4 m???

1.6?
 

i dont think they put 1.6's in the 1st gen pro. 1.8 sohc runs like an 18 or sumthin though. i ran a low 17 tha one time i took my pro out to the track. i had intake and straight pipe exhaust from manifold back.(no cat) that was with a slippin second gear both runs...piece of shit stock clutch. i left and promised myself id never go back until i had some boost under the hood.

I'm suprised to see you in here and not in a Ford Windstar or Dodge Caravan forum. Although, I don't like seeing high school kids, who just saw F&F, go out and start streetracing. I'll turn them down every time. I only race with ppl that can control their car and that know how to recover their vehicle if a drunk driver or someone on a cell phone pulls out in front of them. I have never seen one accident from street racing. I see at least one accident a week from someone talking on the cell phone or a drunk driver.

I'm glad you haven't seen anything... did you know that last year there were at least 17 people killed in street races in San Diego? And that includes innocent people. HEll, they might be fast and the furious "ricers", but who's to decide how good of a driver you are and tell the other people on the road who are trying to use it that there is very little risk they'll get killed? :rolleyes:

And yes, drunk drivers are killers in my mind. Assholes on cell phones piss me off :mad:

And you think I'm a pussy huh? I interned for a month at the county coroner's office... I got to see some "former" classmates. Your face sure doesn't look pretty splattered at 115mph on a freeway offramp. So it's not like I'm being a pussy sideliner... I was there. That's all I really want to say about that job.

And I know I'm not going to really stop anybody...

I couldn't resist though...

HOT DAMN !!! I know the consiquences thanks for reminding me it ..AGAIN. anyways, thanks for the reply . so i guess i'll be able to beat him . peace.

I don't recall calling you a pussy, but, whatever.

Re: 1.6?
 

yes they do. i have 1.6, european market, B6-E (thats what they say in the FAQ) engine

Smoked Civic
 

I remember one nite....i was at a stop light with my 90 Lx 5 speed DOHC pro(completely stock)...when this red civic (2000?) pulls up with neon lights in his interior...and a loud muffler...possibly intake...we'll i knew this piece of shit wanted to race me. So when it turned green i floored it coming out early, just barely, but when i put it to second and threw it up to 6000 rpm(i dont red line anymore, cause i blew a radiator hose last time) i smoked his weak civic so badly that im smiling now just thinking about it. Well, it was clear this guy wasnt going to catch up to me, so i layed off and he got right on my ass in my lane, and then turned off. I guess i'd be mad too if i had put all that money making my car look nice, but was beaten by a stock 90 Lx 5 speed Pro...oh well, suxors for him.

civic: 125 hp 106 ft\lbs 2408lbs
323:2238lbs with bp 125 maybe 130 or so with filter hp 114 ft\lbs
i'm not condoning street racing but yeah i'd say u could beat him i beat my friends ex and he's got an intake and exhaust and my car is a stock sohc 5 speed so yeah considering weight and eveything i'd say u could beat one

well i posted this long time ago ..anyways i have raced a civic ex 95 with header,intake,trust exhaust. i smoked him 3 cars away and i was still pulling y? i guess cuz there's 2 of them he's got sound system, 17" konig monsoon rims... i felt bad for the guy . i wasnt gonna race him until he started revving his car then when i looked they started laughing at my car so then i said bring it!!!

Hey I don't think 16.6 1/4 mile is slow for my 323 DOHC ?? It is almost stock with only a 2 1/4 exhaust pipe and a cone filter. Besides the 1/4 mile strip is not at sea level, if it was then it would've been high 15's.......... !!:rolleyes:

"does anybody knows how much stock 1 gen pro 1.6 SOCH LX runs on 1/4 m???"

I know someone running a KIA Sephia w/ the 1.6 SOHC and he's running high 20's low 21's so you'd probably be running around the same. Don't feel too bad i know someone with a Hyundai it was running 22's but the guy put a T3/T4 (I think thats what it was, or a T4) on it and is now running 15's with an auto tranny. He did have to spend almost $3000 just to build the motor up before he could turbo it. But I'm running a SOHC Pro and run Mid to high 17's with a slipping clutch.

I thought that there wasn't that much of a weight difference between the 323 and the Pro maybe a couple hundred pounds?
If so 300 pounds isn't going to make more than a half second difference in your time. A General rule is for every 100 lbs it will take 1/10 off of your E.T. So see what LX's are running with the same motor setup and take a few tenths off their time, that should be what you're running. But there might be an exception because the gears are taller in the SOHC trannys so your E.T. Might be around the same as the Pro LX's.

2.25" is awful big for a NA engine, I would've gone for a 2" with a decent set of 4-2-1 extractors.

Cheers,
Mark
ICQ:798279
'93 AWD BG Hatch 1.6NA SOHC

If a civic wants to race anything faster than a 1.6 stock protege, he's the one who will need help.

I have a stock 94 dx protege base (weighed in at under 2300lbs) and with my GTECH I got mid-high 16's the one night I was trying it out.

The location I used for the runs gives me pretty accurate results, since I used to GTech 14.7-14.8's then take my car to the track and hit 14.8-14.9's and one or two 14.7's (my Probe GT with bolt-ons before the engine swap)

So if a SOHC 2300lb protege can hit a high 16, a <2200lb 323 with a DOHC should be at least in the high 15's low 16's

I don't see how you were hitting mid 16's w/ a SOHC i think you're the first to do that with a stock SOHC engine. Most of the DOHC guys are running 16's.

DAMN !!!! DAMN !!!! when i posted this i didn't have my bp swap until 4 -5 weeks after. I didn't know what to expect on this engine. Now that i have the engine. Running stock i felt like its faster than my 14.8 sec. civic (b4) i havent tried it on the track but i have race couple of civic with sohc vtec and i dust em like 3-4 cars away...like i said im running stock. and this civics got the basic bolt ons like exhaust. intake ,wires, headers...Yesterday i got my pacesetter headers, magnecore wires, and hopefully i will be getting my rx-7 maf soon. I ordered that too but it takes a while for homeboy to modify it. but its cool tho. Right now my car is running rough at idle i had to raise up the rpm to 1k at idle cuz i cant stand the vibration going on. i cant figure out what the heck is wrong with it but hopefully this week end when i have time i'll install my performance parts and fix the idle.

About the guy who's running 16.6 thanks! u prolly dont remember but u help me out on the swap (via email) THANKS!
Im pretty sure i could run mid 15's with all the bolt ons that i have
and sure hope that Sacramento raceway got a good sea level...:) thx again.........

heybro i just ordered me a JDM GTX front bumpers like DRU's 323 and a R1 racing seats. it'll get here next week . I wa just wondering what bracket did u use to install tha seats? cuz our seat brackets is hooked up on the other end of the seat belt.

About the guy who's running 16.6 thanks! u prolly dont remember but u help me out on the swap (via email) THANKS!
Im pretty sure i could run mid 15's with all the bolt ons that i have
and sure hope that Sacramento raceway got a good sea level...:) thx again......... [/B][/QUOTE]

No problem bro, I'm glad you have your car running, Check the injectors, if they are not sitting right they'll suck air and cause a rough idle, move them around.
Make sure you get a good clutch, Mine has been sliping for a while now. I'll try to get better 1/4 mile times after I replace it.
Till next time...

Manuel Gonzalez

I said mid-high 16's
Really I hit one 16.6 and another 3 or so passes were in the 16.8 range. Keep in mind I weighed my car in at 2271lbs the other day at the truck scales and I have LOTS of racing experience so I can scavenge whatever little hidden potential my SOHC may have (the fact that I don't have a tach actually helps since I'm most likely shifting into the red first to second and maybe third to fourth ;) ... shhhh :D )
It also helps that this car dosen't have enough power to keep spinning through all of first (unlike my probe which I'm lucky when I can get traction before the end of second :mad: )

No problem bro, I'm glad you have your car running, Check the injectors, if they are not sitting right they'll suck air and cause a rough idle, move them around.
Make sure you get a good clutch, Mine has been sliping for a while now. I'll try to get better 1/4 mile times after I replace it.
Till next time...

Manuel Gonzalez [/B][/QUOTE]
i have installed a brand new clutch so no problem there i will be checking the injectors this weekend may be it is the problem...its cool cus even with the stock clutch and not power shifting my car jumps everytime i shift... thx again !:)

well i couldn't wait i went out and moved around the injectors but nothing happen.

What's going on, i just used the stock seat rails. I had to drill another hole on the rail, but that'll probably be your best bet. The rails that came with the seats were gonna be hard to put in the pro because of all of the contours on the floor. It would've been alot more work. As for the seatbelts, i just cut 'em off 'cus i'm gonna add some 4 point harnesses in a little while. I really like the seats though they hold you in place alot better. I've actually found myself taking turns faster with more confidence. I know they don't add to the handleing, but when you take a turn at 35 and slide halfway to the passenger seat you kinda wanna let off of the accelerator before you lose control.





Yeah, but still if the DOHC guys are running 16's in the proteges, the 323 isn't going to be that much faster if it's only 100 lbs lighter.;)

Yeah that's true cause the 1.8 L DOHC engine is a lot heavier than the little 1.6 SOHC. After the swap, I don't think my car weights a lot less than a Protege LX.

so rite now u dont have a seat belt???well i cant cut my seat belts off i live in CAli ...u know what i mean?

Yeah and there's guys running 15's in s2000's, what's your point? :D

Well just not the lap belt, i never used it anyway. If the stock rails will work then just use them w/ the seat belt on it:)



All i'm trying to say is that not everyone has the extrodinary racing ability as you, therefore telling someone w/ a car that on average runs a 22 sec 1/4 mile for ex. that he can run 18's is going to give him false hope. If he does run 18 Great, if he doesn't he won't be dissapointed if you tell him to expect to run 22's. :)

I didn't say he should hit those times, my original post just said that I was GTECH'ing in MY car. I really don't see me running any slower than 16.9 at the track though unless something is wrong with the car.