fastest 1st gen?
 

whats the fastest first gen Protege known right now? I'm just thinking out of curiosity, but being that they're in the low 2k weight range, I think they could be made really fast really easy, but not sure what motor to start with. Since I'm just kicking around ideas right now, I thought of a turbocharged JSPEC V-6 from the 93-97 MX-6, but I dunno if it'd fit being the larger engine. What engine swaps have been done?

Do a search, there's lots of info here on engine swaps.

I have the quickest all-motor 1st Gen that I know of. 15.7@86. There are guys in the 13s with boost though.....

wow....not being an ass but 15.74 @86 sucks....really bad... I mean it may not be bad for a 1st gen but just in general that is slooow as stink.

Saying, "not to be an ass" does not disclude you from being an ass.

How is 15.7 slow as stink? You got some serious issues there 'Steve-O'

Im not being an ass.... but you say that 15.74 is the "fastest n/a time" makes me want to burn my 1st gen. Thats just slow compared to the all-motor times on ALOT of other cars.
I mean...75% of newer n/a cars run 15s/16s.

What is "You got some serious issues there 'Steve-O'" supposed to mean? Because I think that 15s and 16s are slow? It is slow....the only car I have that runs 16s is the Protege....not syaing i dont like it..i love it..great car..good gas...but im not gonna act like its fast....not yet anyways...

Wow steve... why dont you post times of your car... what are you high 17's. for a NA build up the 15 range is good. i got an idea smarten the fuck up! (strike 1)

lets create a worthless post, where you bitch and complain about how slow someone elses car who is obviously faster than yours. (strike 2)

finally lets post something which proves your ignorance, "turbocharged JSPEC V-6 from the 93-97 MX-6" this engine does not exist. and if you want drop in performance you would research a GTX/GTR swap... (strike 3)

I know there's an escort running 11's but then again its not a protege so it dont count. No i dont know. I think I'm the fastest 323 in the whole wide world 16.0 (lol) j/k....

Actually, there's a guy in an MP3 running a 15.5. I never once claimed that 15s was FAST. But before the MP3, it was the fastest anyone knew of. Maybe there's a faster Protege, who knows? Maybe there's a guy who can run faster than the guy who won Olympic gold, but it doesn't matter if he doesn't make himself known.....

hey gen1gt is my 323 considered as protege? If so, I will try to beat your time this OCT. keyword "TRY" : )

Where's Charles and his BPT?

No, a 323 is a small hatchback, the Protege is a small sedan. But go out and rip it up anyway. Anyone putting forth the effort and making things happen is cool in my books. A side note though, I'm heading out next month, and I'm lookin for a 15.3...as long as I get traction, I think I can do it.

that is not bad for a 1st gen <1.8 L>some stuff done to it..............SO SteveO what do you have done to yours if anythig????????????

Nothing hardly...it was my DD....good MPG..reliable...I had not really tried to do anything in the "performance" aspect yet because the car is not made for that IMO.

But yet you want to argue...some more...when I have already said what I wanted to say.

Protoss....what part of my post did you not understand??? Do I need to write it out in crayons for you??? And dont put words in my mouth, I didnt say anything about a MX3 Engine.

My car is also my DD and it's just as reliable. Don't be a hater because someone has goals with their Protege, and are putting the work into it that you can't do....

gen1gt and myself are shooting for similar things, with similar times, myself i am at a 15.8 @ 89.7. my car as with gen1gt is my daily driver. it starts every day, gets 34.8 mpg hwy, 31 cty, and i autocross it once or twice a month. my car should be in the low fifteens when i put my new engine in around thanksgiving, with my new clutch, and im getting a new suspension set up. and this car will continue to be my daily driver. fifteens isnt fast, its quick, but when we are the two fastest n/a firstgens it is something to be proud of. my blood, sweat and hard earned money are in my car, and will continue to be put into it. until you understand the joys and challenges of getting power out of this car steve-o dont insult someones work

:-), If you get my motor in im sure you will pull low 15's

you know im getting it :) 410 dollars. 40 more!

Hey, what mods have you done to pull off a 15.8@89.7? My best trap speed so far has been 86.6. Higher trap speed is a sign of more power, lower ETs mean the car is light and is hooking up.

What engine are you putting in your car, and what are the mods?

we arent sure what the engine has done to it, but my lowest trap speed ever has been a 88, and that was with just the pace setter exhaust. it is impossible for me to take off, lately because of my shitty clutch, but on the track by me its so slick, if i dont launch correctly i spin through 3rd...its shitty...plus the pacesetter header, the pacesetter exhaust, and brocks intake are all set up for high end...i dont have any power bellow 4k rpm *shrug*

My 323 is probably running mid 14's but its not a protege tho.

There's only one way to find out dude. Take it to the track. Also, your car isn't all-motor anymore.....

I have a 92 escort GT. same thing as your protege just has a ford badge on it.
I ran a 12.63@112mph. spinning the tires in 3rd gear. stock GTX engine with a hybrid VJ20/T3 turbo. running 19psi only because if i ran any more i would have just spun all the way down the track. running on 22in tall slicks.
this is one of my slips the next run i ran a 12.63.
http://www.hyperlnks.com/escortgtx/12sec.jpg

Engine management? Dyno sheets? pics? What are you using for fuel upgrades? . Sorry i have alot of questions

Same thing as a Protege? Them's fightin words! Ya, the chassis and engine are SIMILAR, but it stops there. One is more balanced, well-built and handsome, the other is a flimsy boy-racer with Play Skool interior trim.

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A stock GTX engine, turbo upgrade, NA 1.8L head, 550cc injectors, APEXi SAFC. No dynos for me the drag strip works just fine for my tuning needs.

how did you overcome the closed loop lock out our ecu imposes at WOT with the safc? not picking, just curious, because i would like to run one myself

I never had any problem with it. Might have been because i was using a GTX ECU.

Our ECUs aren't completely open loop like everyone thinks. AFM and hotwire outputs change ignition and fuel maps. Which is why one can tune by adjusting flapper door tension.

hmm...ive always been told that you cant use an safc with our ecus...i might have to get one now

I've also heard the same thing. But I saw a 91 Miata, which has a similar ECU as the Proteges, being tuned on the dyno with an SAFC. It ran out of injector, as it got seriously lean around 5000RPM and 100whp. The SAFC intercepts the AFM signal, and bending that signal is no different than adjusting flapper door tension.

well thats good news. off to ebay :)

It worked really nice in my car. Tuned in a few more tenths with more boost at the same time. But never really got to put it to the limit. I no longer have that set up and i am not working on that car any more. So i dont know how far you can take a car with the SAFC before you make to much power for it and need a EMS system.

Ford Focus SVT
 

I saw a Ford Focus SVT running 15.5 at the quarter mile.

Taking in consideration the new SVT has oversized valves, more aggresive cams from factory, bigger displacement (2.0) compared to a 1.8 first gen Protege with stock head running 15.7 I think is pretty good.

Go check out how much a factory eclipse does, 14 highs or 15 lows. So, to be fractions of a second which if this would be racing that means a car or half a car behind, we are talking pretty good numbers then.

A RSX S does around 15.2 and a GSR maybe 15 flat and this are no driving Miss Daisy...

rsx's are slow too. my friend has a type-s with intake ,exhuast, and a vtec controller and i still walked him all day long in my p5 wagon and that was with a blown turbo.

15s are fast for your car, but in the scheme of cars in general it is slow.scion tc's, sentra SER V-spec,04 civic SI, all run in the 15s..... does that mean they are fast tooo. i think not. when almost all new cars run 15s all day long from the factory, then 15 becomes average,not fast

Well if he spent 5 gran for a turbo then you'd be eating dust all day...he only have basic bolt ons you can't compare your turbo'd p5 w/ that. stock to stock it'll kill you. RSX is fast but not the fastest put that K20 on a EK then you'd be running 12's w/ basic bolt ons.

nope i dont think so, bout to have a 350-375 hp monster wagon in a week. and just for the record i just sold an integra that would eat a k20ed EK all day long.

and to wtf the gsr is slower than rsx type-s.