CRX vs 323 ............
 

i have a 91 323 basic hatch and just added 3" drop spring 15" rims, steering wheel etc.......the car look nice with the front lip and the mid spoiler but with my stock sohc this car aint going no where. So i did a research (online) . I need a car for daily drive and be able to hit mid 15's street tires, full interior. and still be able to pass the smog. and only spend $1000 for the engine/tranny. but what i saw is that this car weighs 2200lbs, 127 hp on a bp engine, plus the most u can get out of this engine is high 16's what a bummer!!!

so last week instead of buying that engine (1.8 bp N/A) i bought a crx why? because of the following;
1900lbs. sohc vtec swap 88 SI intake manifold to keep it smog legal, SI tranny for 7,500 redline unlike the 6,000 of the 323's,
they both have 127 hp. bu as u can see the weight is 300 less,
red lines 1500 more, and the engine for this part is way cheaper compare to my 323.......

anyways can u guys give me more info about the 323 maybe i'll change my mind..

I love CRXs, I really wanted to get one before I got the 323. No luck, though....

I'm willing to bet that you could crack into the 15s with a midly-modded BP engine. And I'm sure you could find somewhere that has a BP sitting around with the tranny for under $1000. WIth the extra cash, you could get an intake, and probably get a nice 2.25" custom exhaust.

Still though, you can't go wrong with a CRX. I'm still glad I have my 323 though :)

even the heavier Protege LX's w/BP DOHC can hit 15s mildly mod'd. the 323 should have no trouble at all.

the 323 will be cheaper on insurance too, as it's a not a 2 seater.

if you take it one step further, the BPT DOHC Turbo engine will get you 180-200hp. It's basically the same as the BP but turbo version.

Just wondering, how does an SI tranny get you a 7,500rpm redline??

thanks for the reply guys......i have made my decision. I will keep 'em both. 323 for my daily drive (planning on putting it on the show this summer at hot imports nights hopefully) and the crx
atleast hit 13's high w/ 60 nos.
about the 7,500 redline tranny....92-up ecu could only reach 6,800 or 7,200 which means the tranny is only capable of hiiting that much of rpm i mean it hit more than that but it wont be reliable unlike the 88-91 si tranny the ecu goes up to 7,500 redline so that means it is capable of hitting that much ...aight late.

I have an 88 323 GT sedan with a 1.6L dohc tubo. this engine will fit in any 323 with little to no mods. it pushes 135hp@4300 rpm and 150@5500 redline is 6300 much like other 323's. I've waxed every crx, prelude, and integra (stock) my car is pretty much stock the 175hp prelude/integra started pulling on me around 80 mph. The 323 engine is so much more torquey than honda's sure there may be a 1500 rmp redline diff but why weight till 5000 rpm to do what i can do @3000 rpm

PS. My kid bro has an integra LS (sedan) with a 175hp motor and i wax him the whole way.

The B6T would be a pretty good option. Driving around my Protege with the BP makes me long for an engine like that in the 323.... It would be very quick. Hell, I think my Protege is quick, and it's bone stock with 150k on it. But, do what ya want :)

I looked into doing mods on my 323 sedan with the b6t. For around a $1000 I can get my car close to 180 hp. its a wicked little engine. 250,000 km and still runs like a top. Pretty danm snappy. I just love coming to a set of lights against some honda guy.

PS i waxed a neon running a 100 shot of nos last year. My only mod...a centerforce II cluch.

Re: CRX vs 323 ............
 

this is not true, a stock bp 1.8 can do low to high 15 stock with manual trans. i have a escort gt with power window, power door, cruise control, AC and i did high 15 last summer with no rear seat, 14 degree timing and i'm not a good driver wen is time for racing.

the 1.6bpt is a realy nice engine too and is cost less for you to put in a 323.

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That's a quick time. I like your rims, by the way :)

Oh yea, it's 1.6l B6, not BPT... That's the 1.8l as I'm sure you know :)

15's
 

i have just cat back and rims, but i run 15.8's and 15.9's consistently. I have a 90 lx, and its fast as all hell:D

Re: 15's
 

Really? That's a lot faster than I would think. I also have a '90 lx. I'd like to take it to the strip sometime for shits and giggles. Have any timeslips? I'm not calling BS, I just think that's very impressive :)

thanks to correct me and thanks for the rim :)

i'm going to see how i can do this year with custom cold air intake, rx7 vaf and 2 1/4 exhaust system.

i'm in love with this mazda engine, hehe
i run a ford but i'm in love with mazda hehe.

so 1ofdfew323 did you change your mind now hehe ;)

no, but it is slightly faster than my friends 318is which runs 15.9, and so we questimate a 15.8ish run

u waxed a neon with prolly empty bottle on hand bro.......

lets...see. i still have my 323 and no im not selling it anymore but i still bought the crx . Anyways i was at sacramento raceway about 3 weeks ago and saw this lx bone stock from the outside 5 speed. I dont kno what he got under the hood but the car sound stock to me and he was hitting 16.0's consistent full interior stock wheels. But when i saw this comment i think it was on this forum he got a black 323 with a non turbo 1.8 bp engine in it he was running 16.8........and that made me change my mind! i think that car sucks!!! its either he cant drive or maybe how he tuned his car but it is too damn slow.
So u guys are telling me i can get this car moving with the 1.8 bp engine in it stock tranny and be able to hit 15's? i saw bp engine cuts off at 6,000 rpm redline how come u guys said it cuts off at 7,000 rpm.

the SOHC redlines at 6000 the DOHC at 7000

the 126hp is the DOHC

i remember this post about 16.8 but that was whitout the sea level correction. with the correction this guy was someting like 16.2 . just like Chastan said, the DOHC red ligne is at 7000 and the cut off is at 7400 rpm, i know i hit it last summer hehe.

the crx is a nice car, is the one i like to most in honda...

Yea, I was very suprised with the results of the BP in the 323, I would have thought much quicker. Maybe he can't drive, or maybe there are some serious tuning issues. The 323 has a couple hundred lbs. advantage over the pro lx, it's beyond me why he ran a slower time?

dru323 also has a BP in his car, but it's an auto, I wonder if he's ever went to the track.

ok im confused. I have a protege gauge and got it off of an automatic protege and the redline was at 6k . Is it because of the fact that its an automatic?
this may i will get the engine for my CRX then after that one for my 323 ...hopefully. NO BP-T engine tho i dont like turbo i would rather go for NOS. but thats me .......

The reason it redlines at 6k is not because it's an auto tranny, but because it's from a protege DX. The DX has a 1.8l sohc, and redlines at 6k instead of 7k like the 1.8l dohc.

I was consistantly running low 15's in my stock 323 GT. I live in Thunder Bay Ontario Canada. We have but one legal drag weekend around here a year. My best personal time was 15.18 with a .561 reaction time. My budy has a civic si (cold air, 2.5" exhaust) blah blah blah his best time was 15.62.

How are you guys only running 16's? The BP-DE (not the BP-t...that is the designation for a JDM turbo BP, hence the T) is capable in stock form of a mft. claimed 16.5. With any minor bolt-ons rims, exhaust, etc...you should be able to get into the high 15's. Just go out and spend 200 or so dollars for like PaceSetter exhaust, or go to a muffler shop, buy a muffler and get some 2.5in tubing for cheap. You can make ur pro fast, hell stock its faster than most out there that are new now, and it is well worth it. I love my pro, and i wouldnt trade it for anything but a new one.

I wouldn't go to 2.5" right away

get 2.25"

dude can somebody show me a nice 323/protege out here at least lowered w/ rims unlike this guys hubcaps! i only saw one nice car in here and its dru's323 thats it all of y'all got stocks

:D :D :D

nice
 

both of these cars are hot

Wow, the K1's look really good on these cars.

Nice pic, Jesse. I've been meaning to ask you but too lazy to PM you, how did you like those Enkei rims that you had on your car on Wil's featured pro site? They are beautiful, almost just what I'm looking for, very BBS style. How much did they weigh? Still have 'em? ;)

i aint talking shit or anything like that just being honest. I have not seen a nice lookin' 323/protege out there except for dru's323 and that light blu protege posted up there. im not into full carshow body kit going crazy! anyways i've had my car since October of 2002 and it took me a 2 months to fix it up. i only spend $1800 15" rims new kuhmos, sprint 2" drop (cut 1 coil 3" drop), tsudo (hks angle wannabe) muffler, gt steering wheel, alpine 6 disc cd changer, alpine cd deck, pioneer speakers, clifford remote arrow 3 model, fog lamps, front lip, mid rear spoiler, this car was just the basic 323 now i have installed the SE parts into it. the disc i already have but dont have time to install it, the bp engine is coming on the long weekend which is 2/15/03 next week end to be exact.
as of the picture i will post it up soon......

I heard about cutting your springs... its supposed to increase your low-end torque or something!

Have you heard about the way to get more horspower? You take a cup full of sand, and pour it into the engine through the oil filler hole. Its a miracle... you get so much powa! Its mAd quick yO!

too bad you spent $1800 and only got size 15" rims...

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I like both but I will say the 323

DAMN!!! we got some haters out here!
first of my car dont scrape on the bump stops. my civic was way lower than that and it was for show daily driven and no it is not full body craxy kits on it just 3 piece candy red w/ black leather interior etc.......and the car is 3" off from the ground take note i live in california bumps is all over the place and i never scrape that shit..beat that!! suckas!

In Connecticut u would bottom out every hill with ur car that low ...Jon

On a side note, I live in Newfoundland. We were the first place in North America to hold the All-Tarmac Targa. You may have seen it broadcast on SpeedVision. This was an endurance race and as the roads here are so incredibly bad, this place was a shoo-in. I ran around all day 2" lower my friend in his Accord w/airbags would go around 4.5" drop often times. Funny as hell to hear him scrape the shit out of a poly kit. But he didn't care, lots of money on his end :D:D Just thought it was an interesting side note to people saying 'oh man, Cali has the worse roads' lol. You don't know a bad road until you hit a Newfoundland road.

Oh and as for me. I could care less. Hell I went 250 meters offroad to get the shot in my sig. The bottom was scraping on lumpy ground and I could smell a grass smell in the Climate System for days. lol :D

I'm sure you guys have bad roads up there. I've heard that PA roads are the worst in the US, it wouldn't surprise me, they are terrible.

I don't know why people in Cali think they have the worst roads here... :rolleyes: most of California is a desert... lol