91 escort/ 92 protege
 

i have a 92 protege dx and i found a 91 escort lx. my tranny is screwed in my protege and i was wonder ing if the 1.9 engine and the tranny out of the escort would work?

No sir, the escort lx is a ford tranny, the protege is a mazda one. Wont work.

thats not what he asked. he asked if the engine and tranny would fit. and yes they will. i believe you will have to swap ECU's and harnesses as well, but before you do that, dont. the 1.9 is more gutless than the 1.8. just my $0.02...

The Escort GT (1.8 BP engine) transmission should fit right?

yes, the Ford and Mazda BP series trannys are one and the same. :)

the lx had two different transmissions. one made by mazda and one made by ford. neither of those will work. the 1.9 is really gutless. my friend has a 92 escort lx with many mods including cam, cam gear, reburned ecu or chip-im not sure, dual friction clutch, shaved head, port and polish, intake, header and 2 1/4" exhaust and he ran a 17.3 in the 1/4. the pro dx does 4 tenths of a second better than that stock.

the 1.9L and the 1.8L share that same bolt pattern, so the trannies are interchangable. the 1.9 will fit in the protege engine bay,but most escort owners with the 1.9, swap in the BP (1.8L DOHC)

the 91-96 Escort LX transmission (I think it's a G5M) will NOT bolt to the BP found in the 90-94 protege LX, or the 91-96 Escort GT (this is a G25M, i believe).
Since the 90-94 Protege DX Block is the same as the LX, the G5M from a 1.9L ford engine will not fit the DX either.

You can swap in the whole 1.9 and tranny, but you'll need to do some significant rewiring. the 1.9 is a distributorless system, so you'll need to change not only the engine harness with sensors, but pretty much all the wiring from the fender to under the dash. you'll also need to change to the escort LX spindles, since the protege spindles have a different spline count. And other stuff will need to be changed, maybe power steering pump/pulley/lines, ac pump/pulley/lines, and the exhaust will need a slight massage probably.

It would be a big project that would be a gigantic PITA.

The 1.9 isn't really that bad. If it's tuned right, the thing will fly. With all the modifications on the escort mentioned by RX7_2ner, either the guy needs to take it to a dyno and tune it right, or was lugging around a bunch of extra weight (aka massive amps/subs, rolling on heavy rims) or just couldn't drive the thing properly...

I have the 1.9 in my wagon, and it's a great engine for what it is, and how detuned ford's made it. I haven't taken it to the drag track, but it pretty much kicks ass at autocrosses and lapping days.. :)


--sarge

And if you have the 1.9, and blow it, there are tons and tons at the junkyards that can be had real cheap, not to mention the SPI's.

Brock, what's your opinion on what SgtRauksauff said above. Instead of buying that 92 Protege with bad tranny, I bought a 91 Escort LX that I got for $200. The Protege was in bad shape and this Escort is in nice shape for repairing. I want to put my automatic tranny from the 94 Protege DX on this 91 Escort LX(similar to post starter but the other way around). What's the final word? Is it interchangeable and if it is, do I have to do all that work SgtRauksauff mentioned? I see you did some swap with an auto tranny. Thanks

hmmm. well i'd take the SgtR's word for it. i was going on what info that had dribble down to me of the 1.9L sohc ford engine. unless it is a 1.8L it tranny's wont bolt.

So let me get this straight. What I've heard so many times, as you have from what you said, this 91-96 Escort to 90-94 Protege interchangability being so easy and fit-for-fit is actually not so? Also, you're saying that you probably agree that the Escort 1.9 SOHC is not going to be a simple unplug here and re-plug over there connection on the tranny swap from Pro to Esc? If this is the case, I just bit off more than I can chew. I didn't want this to be another darned workload or error. This $200 buy may not be such a buy any more if I have to do something like look for a tranny in a junkyard and the whole story after it.

If this was me, I would drop in the DOHC BP and call it a day, Much more potential then the 1.9 and the SOHC 1.8.

I'm interested in just getting a second car so my wife and I don't have to keep wasting time taking each other everywhere. I would also prefer the DOHC but I already own a SOHC with its tranny. I am not about to go spend money on another engine when I have one already in the car and one outside. I need a second day to day car with the least expense possible. I need answers fast so tomorrow I can have this put in. I almost got that engine in a 92lx but the rest of the car wasn't worth putting the tranny in.

mmm iv never looked at the 1.9 engine.... but i know for a fact that all the B-series engines and the F and G series boxes are interchangable....

Once again, one person says it can't be done and the other says it can. What a ping pong game. Actually, with what the guy above says, as well as another guy who repairs and replaces trannys for a living(from another post), it looks like it's not an interchangeable unit and the modifications must be done. The guy on the other forum didn't mention all the wiring changes, though. He mentioned having to take the bellhousing off the ford tranny and putting it on the mazda tranny. Then, it may require spider and differential swaps too. Nothing about wiring having to be changed. As a matter of fact, he mentioned something about connectors hooking right up with no mod. By the way, would you believe it looks like the timing belt on the thing just broke? Looks like I will have to deal with that first. I have done it before. It's no fun. I did it on the Mazda, Chevy, Nissan, Ford, and I think on the Plymouth too. The belt for this Escort LX is only $9 for models built before March of 91. That's not much consolation because of the work involved.

u just lost me... when u said the bell housing had to be changed were u refering to a 1.9 enigne ?

also, what is the code for the 1.9 ? is it a ford or mazda engine ?

our ford lasers (are the same as ur ford escorts) and are mechanicly identical to our mazda 323's

as in both 323 and laser from 1986 onward used a B series mazda engine with either a F or G series mazda box..... they were just baged differently...

just want to clear that up ?

sorry the 1.9L tranny does not want to bolt to a 1.8L the ford tranny can be made to fit with a bell housing swap, though.

It's that the Mazda Protege models 90-94 and the Escort GT from 91-96 are interchangeable engine/tranny. However, the Escort LX, which I have, is not interchangeable. This was told to me from a guy that works at a tranny shop for a living. He's on a Ford Escort forum. Here are three different posts he has responded to me on. I do not have the one where he explained specifically why they don't fit but it's on the Ford forum. Here are the posts:

That's why i told you about changing the front bellhousing as you had one. The plug that comes out of the tranny is the same so you'll just have to plug your external harness to it without needing to open it. for the rebuild there's no special tools needed for those tranny and the atsg manual would really help you and they also have a section on modification that you can make to improve it, i'm really glad i took their seminar in toronto those guys are awesome. forget to mention you may also have to change the differential from your ford but you have it in your hand when you remove the front bellhousing

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Swap the bellhousing from the one you have and plug your tranny harness directly at the tranny just under the neutral switch. The differentiel may have different side gear but when you remove the bellhousing it's just there smiling at you.

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You could just swap it like that but there's a couple of bolts on the bellhousing that are not going to fit. For the spider gear, check if your axles fit in the differential before changing them depending on the model and year they may fit directly in it. If not, to remove the spider gear you just have to push on one of the side gears. They are going to turn in the differentiel and fall off then you can remove the spider gear just by pulling on them. When reassambling, you put the two spiders in place then place the two side gears in the same position and turn them back in the differential. Be careful: the side gear can fall when moving the tranny without axles in the diff. Take a piece of cardboard, roll it and put it in where the axle is going to hold the side gear in place so they can't turn.

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Back to me. I sure as heck am not going to do any tranny repairing. I may just end up buying a junk yard tranny form a Ford LX. This means that not even an Escort GT tranny will work.

The 90-94 Protege and 91-95 Escorts have the same basic chassis, and share the 1.8DOHC. That's pretty much it. The 1.9 is only found in the Ford, and is a completely different engine and transmission.

Yes, after many forum questions I now know that that is the case. The Ford engine in the LX is called CVH. It's different from the one on the GT which is what the Proteges have. Annoying after having bought a 91 Escort LX to put my Protege tranny in. Please guys, don't blindly tell people that Escorts of these years are interchangeable with the Proteges after seeing it posted somewhere. You have to find out what specific trims they are too. I imagine even in the GT's there are some things that may not fit, though I doubt there are many.

Oh, and now the timing belt broke on the Escort. If the tranny fit I wouldn't be so pissed. Now I have to fix the belt on a car I can't use the tranny I have in. Well, it seems the Ford trannys are cheap at the junk yards here.