Single Runner Intake Manifold
November-24th-2005, 12:36 AM
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Single Runner Intake Manifold
*As seen on tv*
This is the single runner FS-DE manifold from the earlier model 626. This manifold has several benefits over the standard manifold. Currently the dyno's available are questionable at best. There is big controversy over on mspro about then but there is an obvious gain for FI applications.
As for NA apps I can personally attest my own dyno curves from my last NA dyno. Every pull I made LOST horsepower at the VICS switchover point. There is a 3-4whp dip and a lesser incline after the dip to indicate less power made after this point. Several reputible members have all sworn by the removal of the VICS and VCTS on a stock manifold for making more power. This goes a step beyond beyond that.
The single runner design will provide stronger mid and top end than a standard manifold. This will also increase boost on-set in FI cars with only a minimal loss of low-end on NA cars. Anyone doing ANY kind of engine build would be wise to make this swap. If this thread starts filling up with discussion or debate I'll just make a seperate thread for discussion but this is for the GROUP BUY!!
These manifolds are OEM replacements and will come painted in your choice of colors (full list to come but most any color can be had...also may be able to work out a powdercoating deal with me on these).
$149 shipped for the first 10 buyers
All payments will be made directly to Ken at ProtegeGarage.com (back up and running YA!). Paypal, M.O., cashiers check, credit card all accepted. Once I get the 10 FIRM buyers lined up we'll pass out payment info to those on the list.
These are $199 msrp so it's a pretty substantantial savings at $149shipped.
1. Matty
2. Gary (Kargoboy)
3. Leonardo
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This is the single runner FS-DE manifold from the earlier model 626. This manifold has several benefits over the standard manifold. Currently the dyno's available are questionable at best. There is big controversy over on mspro about then but there is an obvious gain for FI applications.
As for NA apps I can personally attest my own dyno curves from my last NA dyno. Every pull I made LOST horsepower at the VICS switchover point. There is a 3-4whp dip and a lesser incline after the dip to indicate less power made after this point. Several reputible members have all sworn by the removal of the VICS and VCTS on a stock manifold for making more power. This goes a step beyond beyond that.
The single runner design will provide stronger mid and top end than a standard manifold. This will also increase boost on-set in FI cars with only a minimal loss of low-end on NA cars. Anyone doing ANY kind of engine build would be wise to make this swap. If this thread starts filling up with discussion or debate I'll just make a seperate thread for discussion but this is for the GROUP BUY!!
These manifolds are OEM replacements and will come painted in your choice of colors (full list to come but most any color can be had...also may be able to work out a powdercoating deal with me on these).
$149 shipped for the first 10 buyers
All payments will be made directly to Ken at ProtegeGarage.com (back up and running YA!). Paypal, M.O., cashiers check, credit card all accepted. Once I get the 10 FIRM buyers lined up we'll pass out payment info to those on the list.
These are $199 msrp so it's a pretty substantantial savings at $149shipped.
1. Matty
2. Gary (Kargoboy)
3. Leonardo
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
November-24th-2005, 04:46 PM
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correct. You will need to leave your VICS solenoid connected and wire-tied out of the way in order to avoid that light but everything else is kosher.
On another note. I'm going to work with Ken about a possible vaccuum block option for this manifold. Instead of trying to re-route all of your vaccuum lines and make sure everything is going where it needs to we'd just include a "master block" so everything would just tie into that one source. This is HIGHLY recommend for my SC kits as it will make bypass routing and cruise much easier to keep together. I'd think a full block with barbed fittings would run $35-45ish and be worth every penny.
On another note. I'm going to work with Ken about a possible vaccuum block option for this manifold. Instead of trying to re-route all of your vaccuum lines and make sure everything is going where it needs to we'd just include a "master block" so everything would just tie into that one source. This is HIGHLY recommend for my SC kits as it will make bypass routing and cruise much easier to keep together. I'd think a full block with barbed fittings would run $35-45ish and be worth every penny.
November-24th-2005, 11:17 PM
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Is it VICS or VCTS that the MP3 doesnt have...? Because you say the VICS solenoid would need to stay but what if (being it is the VICS that the MP3 doesnt have) you dont have it...would it still work? And I know you say dyno's are questionable, but any guesstimates on power? It seems that if it makes decent power, than its a hell of a deal for $150!
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November-25th-2005, 12:00 AM
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The mp3 doesn't have VICS. You would have nothing to worry about. It's everyone else that has to tie off the solenoid to avoid the CEL.
The dynos I saw showed 10-15whp on a MSP. There have been several people to do this swap but no'ones dyno'd yet except Streetunit which came under a lot of fire for lying to people about these (they sell the exact same thing for $600). Their personal dyno showed the 10-15whp.
Some other things I've been thinking about..... Weight. Even being made out of aluminum our intake manifolds are heavy. This one, I'd imagine, would be at least 2/3 the weight of a stock unit. Also, because this came from an older engine in a different car there may be a chance finding a larger throttlebody cheaper....like from a ford probe. I'll have to x-check some numbers to see.
Also, if anyone was so inclined they could have this manifold off their car and send it off to Extrude hone with a gasket for gasket matching to the head.....this would open the ports to the same size as the gasket AND give that super smooth extrude hone flow. I'm going to get a new quote from them on this and see what we're looking at for it. For how cheap the manifold is getting some fancy options like a new vaccuum block, bigger TB (possibly) or porting and polishing will be easier.
Also, people are always looking to buy stock manifolds. Make some money back on your stockers to pay for this or buy some other stuff.
The dynos I saw showed 10-15whp on a MSP. There have been several people to do this swap but no'ones dyno'd yet except Streetunit which came under a lot of fire for lying to people about these (they sell the exact same thing for $600). Their personal dyno showed the 10-15whp.
Some other things I've been thinking about..... Weight. Even being made out of aluminum our intake manifolds are heavy. This one, I'd imagine, would be at least 2/3 the weight of a stock unit. Also, because this came from an older engine in a different car there may be a chance finding a larger throttlebody cheaper....like from a ford probe. I'll have to x-check some numbers to see.
Also, if anyone was so inclined they could have this manifold off their car and send it off to Extrude hone with a gasket for gasket matching to the head.....this would open the ports to the same size as the gasket AND give that super smooth extrude hone flow. I'm going to get a new quote from them on this and see what we're looking at for it. For how cheap the manifold is getting some fancy options like a new vaccuum block, bigger TB (possibly) or porting and polishing will be easier.
Also, people are always looking to buy stock manifolds. Make some money back on your stockers to pay for this or buy some other stuff.
November-26th-2005, 01:49 PM
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Okay, now that I have just bought a stock manifold off a guy on msprotege for the sole purpose of porting and removing VICS (@#%&*@ timing!), can someone give me a compelling reason why I should buy one of these instead? I'm not going to be boosting my engine any time soon. Anyone? Bueller?
November-26th-2005, 06:15 PM
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like I said earlier there are a few key advantages.
weight
total port volume
less obstruction in the intake path
In my NA dyno's everytime you got to the VICS engagement point there was a huge LOSS of power and the curve after the point was less steep. Without that obstruction or changeover in the charge path I think you'd get smoother acceleration and better overall smoothness. The single runner manifold was designed to work like this. The dual manifold was not designed to be modified.
It's really up to you as far as what you want to do. I'm going to be doing this manifold and I'll have 2 spares leftover. I'm going to keep one stock and one highly modified. I'll sell the modified one to someone that wants the dual runner design. Keep the other as a spare or sell it as well.
weight
total port volume
less obstruction in the intake path
In my NA dyno's everytime you got to the VICS engagement point there was a huge LOSS of power and the curve after the point was less steep. Without that obstruction or changeover in the charge path I think you'd get smoother acceleration and better overall smoothness. The single runner manifold was designed to work like this. The dual manifold was not designed to be modified.
It's really up to you as far as what you want to do. I'm going to be doing this manifold and I'll have 2 spares leftover. I'm going to keep one stock and one highly modified. I'll sell the modified one to someone that wants the dual runner design. Keep the other as a spare or sell it as well.
November-28th-2005, 02:02 PM
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The price seems pretty good. How much would it be to get it powdercoated? Also, would I be able to pass emissions with this intake manifold? With the removal of the vics n vtcs would I still be ulev, lev, or won't pass at all? Also how much low end will I lose n/a or FI? Sorry to ask so many questions, just very interested. Would also like to see how much this helps when you dyno this with the womp kit.
December-2nd-2005, 10:57 PM
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just leave your VICS solenois attached to the connector but zip tied off to the side. Double check all of your vaccuum connections.
Ken is going to be working up an extra vaccuum block to make this swap over much less complicated. It'll be an entirely seperate vaccuum source so everything will tie into it as opposed to finding sufficient nipples on the new manifold. Plus it'll look great under the hood. He'll have more details soon.
Ken is going to be working up an extra vaccuum block to make this swap over much less complicated. It'll be an entirely seperate vaccuum source so everything will tie into it as opposed to finding sufficient nipples on the new manifold. Plus it'll look great under the hood. He'll have more details soon.