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1990 1.8 pro vrs. 1994 v-tec..?..my first real race
i have never raced my pro yet (by race i mean an even start--from the stopped position where two cars are lined up at the same point/..)
today was the first time..it was about 20 min. ago broad daylight--at a stop light--two lane--this honda (and i'm not a honda hater at all--) pulled up--it was a 4-door about a 95--it said V-TEC on the side...nice wheels--etc. i was looking over checking out some of the work that had been done to it and i looked at the driver and he pointed @ the stop light...and i shook my head "yeah" and we started reving our engines...(--this is a four lane stop and right in front of us was NOTHING--a long strip on hwy 92--it couldn't have been better--by this time everyone at the stop lights were looking @ a bright orange car and a nice honda--) light turned and i punched the gas--@ like 4200 rpm..beautiful smoke rolled up the front side of my car and his and we were gone--i shifted to second @ like 7000 rpm because i forgot to look @ my tach--and he was like 1/4 of a car length in back of me--and it was like we were both a moving 2 car parking lot--we stayed exactly the same (me ahead by only a 1/4 of a car) until 4th gear when i pulled more and then slowed and he passed --because we were going like 94 mph in a 45-- and if i get one more ticket the state of florida will take my license away--this time for a year..... we did it again @ the next light--this time was the same--it was almost easy---??...... it was awesome--talk about an adrenalin rush--0- IS IT NORmal for a 1.8 dohc(all i have is exaust and intake)-- to beat a honda v-tec--or do you think it was just an emblem bought off of ebay or something |
Could have been an emblem, all the ricers with hondas have them now a days and few actually have v-tec. But you can hear the v-tec when it kicks in. An Lx should be able to run even with a v-tec honda as long as it is slightly moddded. I raced an Si last night who had intake exhaust and headers and beat him but i have more than you so its hard to tell.
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Originally posted by MGonz I raced an Si last night who had intake exhaust and headers and beat him but i have more than you so its hard to tell. |
Originally posted by MGonz Could have been an emblem, all the ricers with hondas have them now a days and few actually have v-tec. But you can hear the v-tec when it kicks in. An Lx should be able to run even with a v-tec honda as long as it is slightly moddded. I raced an Si last night who had intake exhaust and headers and beat him but i have more than you so its hard to tell. |
It wasnt the 99-00 it was the older gen, the one famous for the bright blue im not sure what year those are.
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VTEC is not what you think it is.
DOHC VTEC is the only "worthy" VTEC for power. SOHC VTEC and VTEC-E are mostly for fuel economy. |
It is completely normal.
I had a 93 Civic Si hatch. Faster than the sedan and it was slow compared to the Pro. I'm suprised he actually kept up as much as he did from your story. I've beaten 92-95 Civics by full car lenghts and more many times. |
I'm not going to say that hondas are the shit, but I will admit that they are fast. I have a friend who has a 94 SI hatchback and it was fast as fuck, and the werid thing is that is the stock motor with some mods like dc headers, intake, race cat, dc cat-back, and the thing gutted to hell.
I guess what it really comes down to is the proper tuning and right driver. Most of the civics i race don't know what they are doing so i beat them hands down. All they know how to do is put stickers on the side of their car. But anyways, nice kill! |
most civic owners dont know what they are doing, but I know of a few that stomp me every time. I have one friend that has a 94 Civic 4 dr. it has the b18c swap, 12 lbs of boost and a 100 shot of nos. He can kill almost any car he comes up against.
But yeah most civic owners dont know what they are doing |
Dont down hondas. They produce the same power out of a 1.6 liter sohc that my 93 lx 1.8 liter dohc makes. Ive raced too many vtec hondas (EX civics, Si Delsols) and my cars even. But i have a really bad clutch so she doesn't grab 2nd gear like a champ anymore.
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Originally posted by itzkcatz Dont down hondas. They produce the same power out of a 1.6 liter sohc that my 93 lx 1.8 liter dohc makes. Ive raced too many vtec hondas (EX civics, Si Delsols) and my cars even. But i have a really bad clutch so she doesn't grab 2nd gear like a champ anymore. |
I am not downing hondas at all, if anything I respect them. I am just saying that alot of civic drivers think they have something when most do not even have VTEC.
There are a lot of civics out there that can kill alot of other cars, especially the one I spoke of above. |
Most Civics don't come VTEC, and the ones that do come with SOHC VTEC.
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Originally posted by Identity_X Didn't you have an ACT clutch on your car ?? |
Next week it will be :) .It was a waste of gas racing my friends delsol . But his B-20 motor just came in today so no more races intill i get my turbo in ..Jon
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Originally posted by D323 and a 100 shot of nos. NAAAAAAAAWWWWWWSSSSSSS!!!! :laugh: |
Race?
Man I love Ricers. Hondas N all. I can't say all too much about a beast like car...
I have a Chrysler Lebaron GT With a 3.4 Mitsu. Nothing INCREDIBLY fast, but it certainly has some push. I get a LOT of hondas that try and race my car. For having 270 horsepower and watching some dumb HondaGuy with a 140 Rev up.... I think I deserve to win... lol Ive pushed Mar's car, and for a 4 cyl... its somewhat impressive. Props to you guys and ur mazdas. I AM a honda hater. Ooooh Yeah. hate them Fluggin Hondas. HOWEVER. I learned to respect a Honda CRX Jspec. Ouch BURN BURN BURN. My baby couldn't hang :\. I used to and still somewhat do street races here in G-ville florida. This is the place to be to race "Uncle Ben's Pre cooked Rice rockets". F'N Hondas. lol After reading this. I was ranting. Try and desipher the point for yourself. :D |
Originally posted by D323 most civic owners dont know what they are doing, but I know of a few that stomp me every time. I have one friend that has a 94 Civic 4 dr. it has the b18c swap, 12 lbs of boost and a 100 shot of nos. He can kill almost any car he comes up against. But yeah most civic owners dont know what they are doing |
Most civic owners do not know what they are doing. If you look at the numbers, most models are DX and LX, and a few HX. These are a non-vtec lightweight car. I have seen quite a few people try to race in a stock civic thinking that they have something, when they dont. Thats what I mean by most civic owners.
A civic is a good car, and yes there are upgrades that can make it a kick a$$ car, as in my friends example, but MOST of the civics out there that try to race are stock, and MOST of them have no idea what they are doing. Thats just my experience, and my opinion. |
GREAT! So most protege owners must be pretty stupid for trying to fix up a car with about 1/4th of the aftermarket support that there is for HONDA...Go to sleep and start over tomarrow, or maybe youre up in your sleep already. Since unless youre like Dave and your car has not a stock part left on it and you hand made all of it..........You must be trying to race a pretty much stock car so you must be as dumb as those honda guys.
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this is the dumbest S#@! I have read this and subscribed just to bash the idiot that goes by DuncansLX. Give me a break you wuss. This guy D323 speaks a lot of the truth. i have been tuning hondas for almost 5 years now, and the BIGGEST motor a 4-civic EVER came with is a 1.6L SOHC v-tec. AND THAT IS THE BIGGEST. That was only in those special ones with sunroofs(ie-ex's).
I wish people would stop talking about stuff they don't know about. Most civic owners think that putting on a loud ass glass pack and a short ram intake makes them able to qualifly for the indy500. Unless you hear a hiss from under the hood or hear the tires squeal half way through 2nd, i wouldn't consider them to be a huge threat. Let me count up this real quick.... killed civics who thought they were bad ass.....130 million.... civic that have kicked my ass and that ARE bad ass...2 and just for everyone that is think about racing a civic if he looks ready to race then he has nothing...he is trying to prove his man hood. HAHAHAHA...if you get a driverthat i kinda hesitant to race that is cause he doesn't want to waste his gas money on destroying something so insignificant as YOUR CAR! HAHA.:D :D |
Originally posted by duncanslx GREAT! So most protege owners must be pretty stupid for trying to fix up a car with about 1/4th of the aftermarket support that there is for HONDA...Go to sleep and start over tomarrow, or maybe youre up in your sleep already. Since unless youre like Dave and your car has not a stock part left on it and you hand made all of it..........You must be trying to race a pretty much stock car so you must be as dumb as those honda guys. I never said what I ran, or the fact that I even ran at all. You just like assuming that you know what is going on, and that you know it all. You should sell your protege, stop disgracing the Mazda name with your stupididity, and drive a yugo, or a geo or something more on you level. |
Originally posted by D323 most civic owners dont know what they are doing, but I know of a few that stomp me every time. I have one friend that has a 94 Civic 4 dr. it has the b18c swap, 12 lbs of boost and a 100 shot of nos. He can kill almost any car he comes up against. But yeah most civic owners dont know what they are doing Okay dumb shit, im sitting wondering how you got your ass kicked by a civic if youre not saying that you ran at all. Ive never raced without actually running my car. And you think Mazda Protege deserves more credit than Honda? And for what reason?As far as people trying to race a SLOW ASS unmodded civics, Thats why youll probably need nitrous to keep up with a stock civic. Anyway, whats under your hood? NADA! Thats what. I like the Protege styling and handling.....The power plant happens to blow goats. Most civic owners dont know what theyre doing because they own a civic..........Youre an idiot! |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by undercoverGSR
[B]this is the dumbest S#@! I have read this and subscribed just to bash the idiot that goes by DuncansLX. Give me a break you wuss. This guy D323 speaks a lot of the truth. i have been tuning hondas for almost 5 years now, and the BIGGEST motor a 4-civic EVER came with is a 1.6L SOHC v-tec. AND THAT IS THE BIGGEST. That was only in those special ones with sunroofs(ie-ex's). UUHH, okay you indegent ,illiterate,degenerate spoo wad. Who the hell said anything about the size of the freaking engine anyway? I wish people would stop talking about stuff they don't know about. I wish people would actually read the fucking post before adding some dumbshit reply like the above. Most civic owners think that putting on a loud ass glass pack and a short ram intake makes them able to qualifly for the indy500. Unless you hear a hiss from under the hood or hear the tires squeal half way through 2nd, i wouldn't consider them to be a huge threat. Can I please see a pic of your turbo setup? NOPE! Cause you aint got one. Whats under your hood? A loud ass glass pack and a short ram maybe? and just for everyone that is think about racing a civic if he looks ready to race then he has nothing... Or maybe he thinks your stupid for trying to soup up a car with minimal aftermarket and he wants to reem your ass in front of your girl. Go read some more posts and dont come back til something dont hit you. |
Originally posted by duncanslx That is the dumbdest damn shit ive ever heard! Thats like saying that all the Brothas eat chitlens. Or that all people who drive 323's are scared to eat pussy so they lick butthole. :bsflag: :dunce: edit: disclaimer: I'm not serious! :) |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by duncanslx
[B] Originally posted by undercoverGSR this is the dumbest S#@! I have read this and subscribed just to bash the idiot that goes by DuncansLX. Give me a break you wuss. This guy D323 speaks a lot of the truth. i have been tuning hondas for almost 5 years now, and the BIGGEST motor a 4-civic EVER came with is a 1.6L SOHC v-tec. AND THAT IS THE BIGGEST. That was only in those special ones with sunroofs(ie-ex's). UUHH, okay you indegent ,illiterate,degenerate spoo wad. Who the hell said anything about the size of the freaking engine anyway? I wish people would stop talking about stuff they don't know about. I wish people would actually read the fucking post before adding some dumbshit reply like the above. Most civic owners think that putting on a loud ass glass pack and a short ram intake makes them able to qualifly for the indy500. Unless you hear a hiss from under the hood or hear the tires squeal half way through 2nd, i wouldn't consider them to be a huge threat. Can I please see a pic of your turbo setup? NOPE! Cause you aint got one. Whats under your hood? A loud ass glass pack and a short ram maybe? and just for everyone that is think about racing a civic if he looks ready to race then he has nothing... Or maybe he thinks your stupid for trying to soup up a car with minimal aftermarket and he wants to reem your ass in front of your girl. Go read some more posts and dont come back til something dont hit you. |
Originally posted by duncanslx Okay dumb shit, im sitting wondering how you got your ass kicked by a civic if youre not saying that you ran at all. Ive never raced without actually running my car. And you think Mazda Protege deserves more credit than Honda? And for what reason?As far as people trying to race a SLOW ASS unmodded civics, Thats why youll probably need nitrous to keep up with a stock civic. Anyway, whats under your hood? NADA! Thats what. I like the Protege styling and handling.....The power plant happens to blow goats. Most civic owners dont know what theyre doing because they own a civic..........Youre an idiot! "I like the Protege styling and handling....." "And you think Mazda Protege deserves more credit than Honda? And for what reason?" Which is it? First you praise Mazda, then the other you attack me for putting Mazda above Honda. Pick a side asshole! Stop contradicting yourself stupid ass. "I like the Protege styling and handling.....The power plant happens to blow goats." --> Its called swap, but the stock power plant is still enough to waste any civic so long as its DOHC. By your logic, a 210 hp stock GT-R motor (that can whoop any STOCK civic any day of the week) blows goats? Smart. Who's the dumb ass now? :FU2: :asshole: Stop posting until you can pull your head out of your ass. |
1999 Lx Protege:
Ingen CAI Header 2"pipe Random cat Dynomax Bullet 90 shot NX LSD Jet Module Extruded intake manifold Ported head Giovana Kyotos 18x7s E-spec struts Eibach Pro kit Haltechek6 1989 Civic crx SI B16 swap Dc sports header/catback Aem intake edelbrock intake manifold 16x7 Motegi mr7s Need FMIC to complete turbo system 1988 Suzuki Samurai w/ 33,000 original miles......All stock |
I didnt say the GTR motor blows ..you fucking inbread......I said the protege power plant blows......Clear it up for you moron?
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Originally posted by duncanslx I didnt say the GTR motor blows ..you fucking inbread......I said the protege power plant blows......Clear it up for you moron? Maybe your protege is not up to speed, thats your problem, not mine. |
Originally posted by duncanslx 1999 Lx Protege: 1989 Civic crx SI B16 swap Dc sports header/catback Aem intake edelbrock intake manifold 16x7 Motegi mr7s Need FMIC to complete turbo system |
Well, we both live in Dallas..........Lets get together and see whos not up to speed.
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Originally posted by duncanslx 1999 Lx Protege: Ingen CAI Header 2"pipe Random cat Dynomax Bullet 90 shot NX LSD Jet Module Extruded intake manifold Ported head Giovana Kyotos 18x7s E-spec struts Eibach Pro kit Haltechek6 1989 Civic crx SI B16 swap Dc sports header/catback Aem intake edelbrock intake manifold 16x7 Motegi mr7s Need FMIC to complete turbo system 1988 Suzuki Samurai w/ 33,000 original miles......All stock |
So the BP blows then? That IS the Protege power plant. It's funny, cause I drive the FUCK out of my motor, and have ZERO problems with it. Ok, so it's not as smooth or miserly as a Honda, but there are NO Civics short of the 99-00 Si(Si-R in Canada) that can beat a DOHC Pro(we're talking equal and optimal conditions of course).
And IF the 'Protege powerplant' is crap, then what IS a good motor? The Golf/Jetta TDI? Hondas' new tire-shredding, earth warping 1.7? For late 80s technology, the 1.8DOHC from Mazda was a pretty good motor.... |
You people seem to forget that the GTX and GTR motors are the same 1.8DOHC engines found here. Besides the manifolds, there are only a few minor differences when it comes to internals. And on another note, if the protege powerplant is so bad, why is it actually more beneficial to convert a U.S. spec N/A 1.8 DOHC to a turbo 1.8 DOHC?
Just my $.02 Adam 91 LX-Turbo |
Originally posted by 4drmiata You people seem to forget that the GTX and GTR motors are the same 1.8DOHC engines found here. Besides the manifolds, there are only a few minor differences when it comes to internals. And on another note, if the protege powerplant is so bad, why is it actually more beneficial to convert a U.S. spec N/A 1.8 DOHC to a turbo 1.8 DOHC? Just my $.02 Adam 91 LX-Turbo |
I never dumped on the BP cause I know what it can do. I just tried to defend it.
I plan to swap that power into my 323 once I get a chance next month. Then begins the building up, I dont want an enormous amount of power ( I do want reasonable gas mileage ) but a decent amount sounds good to me. |
Originally posted by 4drmiata
You people seem to forget that the GTX and GTR motors are the same 1.8DOHC engines found here. Besides the manifolds, there are only a few minor differences when it comes to internals. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GTR motor TTechnical Information Basic design inherited from the GTX The GT-R's transverse in-line four-cylinder engine's displacement is 1.840 cc with a bore and stroke of 83 x 85 mm and compression ratio of 8.2:1. The cylinder head is an aluminium alloy cross-flow type. Intake and exhaust efficiency is very high in this 16-valve engine. There are two intake valves per cylinder (33 mm diameter, 8 mm lift) together with two exhaust valves (28 mm diameter, 8.5 mm lift). The larger valve diameter and the thinner valve steams (intake/exhaust) enhance gas exchange efficiency. The pentroof combustion chamber has a centrally mounted spark plug. The valve angle is 50º. Double overhead camshafts directly actuate the intake and exhaust valves. Intake/exhaust overlap is large (intake open 2º, intake closed 51º/exhaust open 59º, exhaust closed 8º). Hydraulic Lash Adjusters (HLA) maintain zero valve clearance between the cams and the valve stems. The cast-iron cylinder block has thin walls of uniform thickness for weight reduction. The half-skirt design further cuts weight. Efficient rib positioning and shape, together with the oval cross-section of the outer wall increases rigidity. The fully balanced forged steel crankshaft with eight counterweights runs on five bearings. Lubrication oil is pressure fed to various parts of the engine by a trochoidal oil pump mounted at the end of the crankshaft. The unitized oil cooler is water cooled. The exhaust manifold is cast in lightweight, heat resistant ferried steel, using the latest in casting technology: lost-foam casting. The manifold has a port-partitioning wall between cylinder 1 and 4, and 2 and 3, reducing gas flow interference, thus raising combustion efficiency. . The surge tank wall baffles equalize intake air pressure, reducing cylinder over- load and improving performance and reliability. This design was pioneered by Mazda engineers and developed following extensive testing. The technology is a world first and Mazda holds the patent. The exhaust manifold is made of lightweight, heat resistant ferrite steel. Lost- foam casting gives a smooth inner surface which reduces gas flow resistance. The con-rods are made of a tougher alloy and their ' I '-shaped cross-section are wider for increased rigidity and strength The exhaust valve steams are hollow and partially filled with sodium. As the valves heat up, the sodium melts and is agitated violently as the valves move. Heat is absorbed from the valve neck by the liquid metal and conducted to the valve steam where it dissipates. The cooler exhaust valve prevent pre detonation, increasing engine reliability. The forged aluminium pistons with cooling channels, resemble Formula One engine pistons. The piston crowns are tin plated. There are two compression rings and one oil ring. Nickel cermet is fuse-boded to the groove area of the top ring to enhance wear resistance. The well-lubricated kelmet metal con-rod big-end bearings are the same as those fitted in Group A competition motors. The new five stage water-cooled oil cooler has a greater capacity over the GTX's old two stage unit. Oil jets spray oil up into the cooling channels in the under- side of the piston crowns........Quoted from http://www.ggon.net/cardata/gtr/tbgt...b/gtrengin.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would say thats alittle more then minor internal differences . As for using the NA head it is better because it is less restrictive then the GTX and GTR heads |
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