i guess the only place legal to mess around with your car is on yours/a friends/private property. i thought i heard something about you can get in trouble for having fun in a parking lot (but, officer, it's not being used...). which is why i should convince my parents to get a place in the sticks in oregon--big cheap lots of land--so when i come home there's one more cool thing to do. down here, ya, we have angeles forest highway for mountain twisties--but it's suicide (or just plain closed) in the winter.