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Jeremy Martin October-7th-2004 05:50 AM

Tornado Fuel Saver
 
Anyone tried it? Looks kind of gimmicky to me. Plus, for the cost + shipping you could buy a CAI.
Thoughts?

Da P-Funk! October-7th-2004 06:15 AM

Trust your instincts.

Buy the CAI.

goldstar October-7th-2004 09:08 AM

Buy it and you'll fulfill the great P.T. Barnum's dictum, "There's a sucker born every minute."

Omron October-7th-2004 04:36 PM

Hhahahha, wait a minute, hahahahahhaahhahahah

just playin, but to be honest, Do not even pay any attention to this gimic, for some cars the item acts as an obstruction preventing air from flowing freely,

spinning air makes no difference, you need something that RAMs air in there under pressure, hence the Super charger or Turbo options.

compared to the Tornado, I am sure you can find a hooker in your local downtown that can blow harder into your intake, lol sorry I couldn't resist.

But if anyone has had positive results let me know, I would luv to hear it :)

juddz October-7th-2004 09:24 PM

Waste of money. While it is true that turbulence and tumble are desireable things to have in the combustion chamber, this is the result of port geometry and combustion chamber shape. The Tornado will do NOTHING to improve combustion, and (as mentioned) it could even cost you a little bit in the way of performance since you are putting a mild restriction into the intake. Bet you it would do a good job at peeling fruit, though.

JHew84 October-8th-2004 02:46 AM


Originally Posted by Omron
Hhahahha, wait a minute, hahahahahhaahhahahah

just playin, but to be honest, Do not even pay any attention to this gimic, for some cars the item acts as an obstruction preventing air from flowing freely,

spinning air makes no difference, you need something that RAMs air in there under pressure, hence the Super charger or Turbo options.

compared to the Tornado, I am sure you can find a hooker in your local downtown that can blow harder into your intake, lol sorry I couldn't resist.

But if anyone has had positive results let me know, I would luv to hear it :)

its intended purpose isn't to "spin" air, its supposed to smooth out air flow and decrease turbulence inside the IM, which actually works for some cars (some cars) but most cars have enough bends in the IM after the tornado that the air just becomes just as turbulant as it was to begin with at the next bend, that is why it doesn't help a lot of cars, not because it lacks the pushing power of a turbo/supercharger...

if you had something like a V8 style IM setup, where the tornado would be setup RIGHT before the runners, it would actually help on a stock setup, not in power gains so much, but definitly in fuel economy... its a cool idea, just not something that is terribly useful...

Da P-Funk! October-8th-2004 06:30 AM

All true (even the Hahahahas :D).

On a lot of jet engines you have inlet guide vanes to 'straighten the air' for max performance. Not all however. It depends.

From an aerodynamic stand point - laminar flow (smooooooth) is better for reduced resistance and increased air volume efficiency. In the piston chamber 'tumbled' air is better - better mixing and flame. It even lets you run just a weee bit leaner.

But with all the bends , hose connections, etc 'tripping' the air into turbulence again after the 'tornado' - no real-world gain is seen. You would need several at each junction - blocking the air!

Lastly - the auto mfgrs would KILL to have any easy way to meet CARB standards and CAFE without expensive weight savings intiatives/materials and additonal sensors for the engine mgmt (all cost $$). It would be standard equipment already (and we would have threads like: 'should i get the mazdaspeed 6mm tornado or not'.... :)

so don't buy it.

juddz October-8th-2004 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by JHew84
its intended purpose isn't to "spin" air, its supposed to smooth out air flow and decrease turbulence inside the IM, which actually works for some cars (some cars) but most cars have enough bends in the IM after the tornado that the air just becomes just as turbulant as it was to begin with at the next bend, that is why it doesn't help a lot of cars, not because it lacks the pushing power of a turbo/supercharger...

if you had something like a V8 style IM setup, where the tornado would be setup RIGHT before the runners, it would actually help on a stock setup, not in power gains so much, but definitly in fuel economy... its a cool idea, just not something that is terribly useful...

Prove it.

Stueck October-8th-2004 08:25 AM

has anyone read about that guy somewhere in the middle east who puts little scratch marks in the combustion chambers walls? he says it increases something. let me go find the article...

Stueck October-8th-2004 08:27 AM

FOUND IT!

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/futurec...679464,00.html

read it and be amazed...

Roddimus Prime October-8th-2004 08:31 AM

anyone notice how he's an indian and he's using Russian ruppee's as currency??!?!

p.s. if it were that easy and cheap everyone in the world would be after it.

Da P-Funk! October-8th-2004 12:40 PM

Uh, it didn't say 'Russian ruppees' anywere... There are no 'russian ruppees'. Indian and Pakistan use the 'ruppee', Russia and former soviet republics use the 'ruble'.

I would like to believe Mr Singh is right - this would be the easy/cheap way to improved performance...

Perhaps someone here could perform the test and dyno the results? Hmm?

Roddimus Prime October-8th-2004 12:45 PM

"Well, maybe. So far, all Singh’s invention has earned him is a few polite rejection letters from presidents, professors and auto manufacturers—while costing him tens of thousands of borrowed rupees and an untold number of sleepless nights. His eyes are glazed with the heat of an idea he can neither sell nor surrender. Mostly, he seems to have discovered the hard way that in 2004, it takes more than a patent and personal conviction to reinvent the"


you're right....I was making it all up.....

Roddimus Prime October-8th-2004 12:46 PM

p.s. I'm not real familair with other countries currency. That's my mistake. But the word rupee's was there.

Stueck October-8th-2004 12:54 PM

hmm... now it makes me want to try it... but i dont feel like screwing anything up today.


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