Redfyre

Here's a question:

Stock 2002 P5 vs stock 2003 Pontiac Grand Prix GT-something (the new one)

How badly will I get my *** handed to me?

Now, how about if we threw in some corners? Does anyone know of the slolum (how the hell do you spell that?) for our cars vs the Grand Prix?

Thanks

nate0123

S L A L O M

he'll be about a second faster to 60

EDIT: ... unless you meant GTP (supercharged) which has almost double your horsepower... yea, that wouldn't even be funny.

PhotoPro5

The drag race would be funny, but not for you.

The slalom would probably be closer, but if the driver of the Grand Prix is any good, you'll lose that too.

acidbbg1

Very badly if it's the V6 Model w/ the Dual Exhaust...unless you have a turbo..or a large size shot of n20...like i do

Now if it's the 4 cylinder version w/ manual tranny..than it shouldn't kill u but more like beat you by 1-3 carlengths.

I would stay away from that race...

chas

ProtegeMaster

The Grand Prix GT has a 3.8 liter V6-- Sorry, but a stock vehicle on both sides means the Grand Prix wins easily. I can't speak for sure to the cornering abilities, but logic indicates you'd win there-- The Protege is already above average in handling abilities.

Here's what Consumer Reports said about the homely, cheap-*** Pontiac:

"With its heavy steering, stiff suspension, and busy, overly firm ride, the Grand Prix attempts to render a sporty driving experience. Handling is forgiving and secure, but not very agile. The midlevel GT model we tested uses a 200-hp version of GM's 3.8-liter pushrod V6, which provides responsive acceleration but lacks the polish of a contemporary multivalve engine. With its flimsy-feeling appointments and cheap-looking plastic trim, the Grand Prix's cabin has a decidedly low-rent feel. Head room is meager for a sedan, and the rear seat is tight and unsupportive. Wind and road noise are pronounced. Poor side-impact crash test results further limit the Grand Prix's appeal."

This kind of analysis shouldn't come as a surprise from GM-- They specialize in mediocre (at best), cheap quality, dreadful vehicles. It's only because of the ignorant, lemming masses that they continue to dominate the world as the largest corporate entity-- If it was all about quality they would have long ago been thrown out of business.

At least your car is reasonably comfortable, infinately more reliable, efficient, better looking, and responsible.

I wouldn't be racing anyone in a V6, though, regardless of who makes it. The FS-DE just isn't a fast, nor modern, engine.

nate0123

4-cylinder Grand Prix? Um I suppose you could get one if you swapped out the standard 6-cylinder.

All Grand Prix's are 6-cylinder with auto.

acidbbg1

My Mistake...the Grand Am's have the 4 cylinder's...

Chas

nate0123

You'd have a chance against any of Chrysler's 2.5 V6's. 170 hp, but very inefficient automatics. Almost all have 0-60 around 9 seconds.

Beat an auto V6 Cirrus once.

fossil boy

Pro v. Grande' ******:
Hahahahahaha
Who cares?

Redfyre

Yeah, I figured I'd get my *** handed to me.

nate0123: Yep, it's the GTP.

Well I figured the P5 is a pretty good handling car so I'm thinking maybe I'd have a chance if we threw in some corners. Anyways, it's not like we were gonna race.

fossil boy: The topic just came up in a discussion today at work.

ProtegeMaster: I feel the same way about Gm cars. I used to drive them until I saw the light.

ProtegeCT795

Thank god u saw the light, i had a dodge neon before i had a head on crash with it i was sick of that car problem after problem the air bags never when off and the engine sucked so bad uhh i hated that car and i was told form dealer to dealer to go sum where else, SCREW AMERICAN CARS i love this country but we don't make cars like others do!

arapau

We traded our red '99 Pont Grand Prix GT in for P5 last month. I thought car looked and drove great. But in 86k miles, the tranny was rebuilt, torque converter replaced, ECU replaced 3 times, ABS system repaired, and lifters were starting to click. The GP felt faster but I think the P5 handles better cause it's lighter. Slalom numbers are better for P5 in Motor Trend. I hope Mazda build quality is better as well.

GNO

115,000 on my GTP. Despite the high mileage, I still run 13.2s. Headers and PCM reprogramming this spring will hopefully give me a taste of 12s.

Sorry to hear of your troubles arapau. I've only had to replace my alternator. Currently, the sunroof doesn't work, but that was my fault. The sunroof on the P5 broke before it was a year old.

pr5owner

umm well.. i think the mazda6 should be comapred with the GP not the p5 LOL P5 Vs Cavalier is more like it

and on the chrysler note, i would want to race a Shadow/sundance

100HP/135TQ LOL and they weigh 2600+ LBS

Oz58

As the owner pf both cars, I can say that the GTP would blow away the P5 in a straight ahead race. But in the slalom, the P5 would win. The P5 is a great handling car. The Pontiac has one of the worst suspensions on a car that I have ever experienced. How GM was able to make a car floaty, yet jittery, is a wonder. It handles like a pig around corners. Tires might be part of the problem, but it won't get that much better with different ones.

And the interior appointments are definitely cheap. I'll never buy another until GM gets it's act together. Thank God my wife drives it everyday (she loves it).