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DWD April-4th-2004 09:16 PM

Rotege
 
I was wondering if a RX7TT motor could be hooked up to the Protege 5's tranny. Or if there is a FWD tranny that is rotary capable that you could swap into the Protege. I think that would be one hell of a car. Please respond if you have any onformation on this topic.

DWD...

Roddimus Prime April-5th-2004 10:10 AM

yikes...obviously you do not work as an engineer of any kind. The strongest engine you could possibly bolt-up to a protege tranny is a 1989-1992 Taurus SHO 3.0/3.2L.....They made 220hp and 240lb/ft stock. However, the engine will not fit into the engine bay without MAJOR modification. This is just not feasible at all.

On a final note, ANY motor can be put to ANY tranny.....it just depends on how much money you have and making an adapter plate. I was building a project car for a while before the sheer logistics made me scrap it....a 20B 3-rotor Twin Turbo into a 1967 Mustang GT350. It was awesome!

itzkcatz April-5th-2004 04:54 PM

No, Thats a hell of a concept, I know some kid said he had it done but he never showed up at are meets. Goodluck

DWD April-5th-2004 05:41 PM

Ok I figured the tranny wouldn't handle that kinda power well. So like I said before... is there a FWD tranny that could handle that kinda power that I could swap into a protege. I am looking to make a killer sleeper. Any help is helpful

DWD...

Roddimus Prime April-5th-2004 06:07 PM

dude, you obviously don't understand the sheer logistics of doing something like this....it would cost a minimum of $10K + parts to do this assuming you did all of the custom fabrication yourself.

I've been in the car scene for many years...let me give you a piece of advice: It's good to modify, it's great to think outside the box, but it's foolish to throw common sense out the window.

Don't spend time and money on a project that will never come to fruition....work on something that can be done. How about making a 300hp FWD protege....without a turbo?!?! That's kind of my goal. I think I can hit that to.

arapau April-5th-2004 08:39 PM

I would love to see an engine swap in a P5. But I don't think that would be the ultimate sleeper. A lot of people look at my car and think that it must be fast:rolleyes: . The car just has that look I guess. Personally I wouldn't want a bunch of horsepower in a front drive car. But if money is no object than buy a miata or better yet an M3 and have all their components installed somehow. I think maybe an IS300 with Mazda badging would be a lot easier, cheaper, and drive better:D

skr33t_rac3r April-5th-2004 09:23 PM

yeah vut everyone would know ut was still an IS

itzkcatz April-5th-2004 10:50 PM

If you really wanna swap a motor, Swap in a GTR motor with a t3/t4 turbo upgrade and a lsd

Roddimus Prime April-6th-2004 08:32 AM

you guys are feeding this non-sense??!?!

macdaddyslomo April-6th-2004 08:48 AM

actually i have heard of race ported 12a's being put in a 323 and hooked up to the stock tranny with an adapter plate and custom bellhousing. Strongest FWD tranny i know of by Mazda is the H series. Came in 1st gen MX-6 gt's and Probe GT's. A 13btt would be a VERY expensive engine to put in and make the project that much more expensive, carrying probably half of your budget, and they aren't very reliable engines either...it's usually about a $4000+ engine, not including ECU or harness...here's an idea...if you have a shop it could be done relatively inexpensive...get a carbed 12a(cheap in the junkyard), street port it(mad power), hook it up to an H series(cheap in the junkyard).. get an adapter plate and custom bellhousing..fab some mounts....im guessing it could be done for about..hmmm...$3500-$4500...just a guess...would be crazy to see a street ported 12a going brap-brap-brap and coming from a P5!!

skr33t_rac3r April-6th-2004 09:47 AM

or why dont u save ur money and get a 350 c.i. v8 put in it there is a company that does it...lemme find the site

click here for info

DWD April-6th-2004 09:15 PM

I have heard of engine swaps where the motor is much more powerful than the stock motor(V8 Vega) without any problems. So to the people saying that this is impossible i say that you are maybe not trying hard enough. I have come to a realization that it is going to be very very expensive, and i am probbably not going to do it unless a get a big chunk of extra $$$. But when the day comes i'll makes sure to blast by ya. Also "macdaddyslomo" your alternative idea above sounds quite cool. Might be a consideration. The purpose of myself making this topic was to see what some die hard protege enthusists say to this idea. I personally was not impressed by your lack of imagination. I Apolagized if I have stepped on anyones toes... just me 2cents tho
DWD...

VagaBond-X April-6th-2004 09:58 PM

well i geuss if you are really going to look into a rotary swap

then read this thread

Rotary Swap Thread

it has quite a bit of info, but its not being adapted for FWD...the thread is for making the protege RWD....

i gave quite a bit of info in there about the rotary i think.... i dunt really wanna re-type it all, so you can read it all there

VagaBond-X April-6th-2004 10:19 PM

oh yeah if you want to buy a rotary enigne, then try here

Corksport

heres the general prices

stock 20B with stock turbos - $3999
stock 13B RE (not RX-7 engine (cosmo Eunos engine)) - $2200
12A turbo - $930

you can also buy the FS-ZE engine fromt hem for about $2000

theres other sites but thats a main one

Roddimus Prime April-7th-2004 12:51 AM

I have taken numerous vehicles and upped the power significantly with much success....much failure also. I'm trying to save you time, money and energy that would be wasted on a project because, like you just mentioned, cost is astromical on something like this.

FWIW, I have a 1976 Pinto with a 2.3L automatic. The car made 88hp in 1976. Today after 5 engines (2 V8's and 3 four cylinders) it now makes an estimated 300-350whp on a 2.3L four cylinder motor. I had to convert over pieces from 4 donor cars to finally get it running. I estimate a total cost over the several years of doing this close to $7500.....this is for a 1976 pinto. Right now, as it sits, the car will probably run 11s in the quarter mile, but it's only limited by the fact it can't get traction. Did I mention that this is still a stock block 4 cylinder engine? Have a goal, but be realistic and practical about achieving it.

p.s. I also tried to install a 13B-REW into a 1967 Mustang GT-350. That also never made it very far although it would have probably been much easier than what I did do.

p.p.s. I'm about as die-hard as they come.


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