Engine Swap
 

Does anyone know if you could put any of the following in the MP3??

SR20DET
RB26DETT
Audi's 1.8T
13BTT

anyother good engines that fit well and no "big block chevy" I would not like my car to weigh a billion pounds.

I know that some of these engines are not front wheel drive but can they be made to drive a FF car?? (or make the Mp3 AWD)

Also I know that you can put any engine in any car for the right price I am talking about something realistic.

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Re: Engine Swap
 

Hello Ethan and Welcome to our happy little corner of the net, and to our Club. There are TWO BIG fridge'S in the corner with anything you can think of in them...help yourself...of course only take what you can LEGALLY have.

make yourself at home on one of the big fluffy couches, kick your shoes off, put your feet up on one of the tables, yes we are allowed to do that, mom don't care....and take it easy.

oh...btw....every once in a while a food fight breaks out...so you may not want to wear nice clothes here.

Welcome!!

considering the LAST sentance of your statement...the answer is no.

I have been from the beginning I don't write much cause I have very little to say. I will start being a more active user now. but thanks anyway

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You can forget about #2 and #4 right now. The RB26DETT is so long that it would stick halfway into the adjacent lane. :eek: A rotary engine has never been sold in a modern FWD Mazda, and their unique round shape makes them difficult to cram into a car that wasn't specifically designed to take one. The ONLY successful transversely mounted rotary swap I have ever seen was into a Fiat X1/9 (no joke!), but they are mid-engined and have a very tall, rotary-friendly engine compartment compared to most FWD cars.

The other two, well, they could fit, but you have to take a deep breathe and think clearly before you swap almost any off-brand engine into a FWD car. [You will sometimes see old RWD Jap compacts- often Datsun 510's or AE86 Toyota Corollas- with really loopy engine swaps. Do NOT pay attention to them. Swapping RWD is MUCH easier than swapping FWD.] Mating the mounts, axles, shift linkage and wiring will NOT be an easy task and will probably require deep pockets. IMHO you should first consider a Mazda engine swap (FS-ZE) or a turbo kit before doing anything crazy. Most FWD off-brand engine swaps fail the M3 Test... does the cost of the completed vehicle exceed the going price of a good used E36 M3? :D

Re: Engine Swap
 

:rolleyes:

SR20DET
RB26DETT = :rant: Are u kidding me!!! Did you even research thoughs engines???!LoL The questions these days be cracking me up.:eek:

Re: Re: Engine Swap
 

Thanks for your thoughtful contribution. He was just asking a question....and we told him the answer is no...:rolleyes: to you too

While we are dreaming how about a 5.0? The 302 block is really light, and you can just run the driveshaft through the passenger cabin :).

BTW... Has anyone else seen the Supercharged 4.6L DOHC (Cobra) powered Focus yet? Frickin awesome.

The Deal is I looked up engines that people do swaps with.

An engine is about as much as a turbo for the Mp3. if serious Hp is what people on this board want then we have to think about how to do it. Turbo'd Mp3 Engine's at best are 230Whp thats great but it could be better. With a better engine it would pull this stock and then could be upgraded.

another sugestion is the engine from a eclipse GST.

The M3 Test : 20,000 at least

Brand new Silvia Engine with 6 Speed Tranny: 4,000


people can say it's stupid. we upgrade our cars cause we see possibility.

I want to see what I could do.

You can do better than 230whp ;)

Almost anything is possible, check out this VW Golf

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LinuxRacer is running a pretty boosted engine... but I don't know what he is putting down

yeah i read about it. Did you see how much the damn thing costs!! 60 grand for the car and engine. For that price you can almost import a skyline from japan. Hell even pick up a used viper.

Uuuum, you can't fit a RWD Silvia engine and tranny into a Protege. :rolleyes: You would need to use the engine from a FWD Pulsar or Sunny GTI-R.

Besides, let's do some math...

Used MP3: $10,000
SR20DET Engine: $4,000
TOTAL: $14,000

Now add custom axles. Custom engine mounts. Fabricating a new front crossmember because there's no place for one of the mounts. New shifter linkage. Spending days soldering wires to match up the wiring harnesses. Trying to track down the correct JDM ignition coil because the engine won't run without the right one. These are the sorts of things that sink off-brand swap projects in a great big hurry. :(

And BTW I don't count hoopty, half-assed engine swaps- I'm talking about a swap that is NOT GHETTO. No critical engine components attached with zip ties or hose clamps. :rolleyes:

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people can say it's stupid. we upgrade our cars cause we see possibility.

I want to see what I could do.

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You are welcome to try anything you want, but your choice of engines (an RB26DETT?!?) reveals that you have not really thought things through. Remember what I said about RWD swaps? Ignore the websites that you've seen about the SR20DET-powered AE86 Corolla, the rotary-powered Datsun 510, and the Ford 302 V-8 powered FC3S RX-7. Swapping RWD is CAKE compared to FWD because the engine compartments are bigger and more accomodating, you don't have to deal with the same drivetrain issues (you just need a driveshaft), and the shifter linkage is built in to the top of the tranny- all you need is a hole in the center console. Us FWD owners are not so lucky.

BTW you can look all over this forum and see that I have a reputation for being easy on n00bs, and I'm not trying to be an ass. I just caution you to really think carefully about that FM turbo kit before you jump into something questionable like this. :D

However, on a lot of FWD vehicles you can reroute the exhaust and use the tunnel for a driveshaft and then just find a decent rear end for it. Probably have to get a custom driveshaft made though, never tried it so I don't know how expensive that would be. Either way it is going to be expensive, the Focus I mentioned above was 50k above the price of a donor SVT.

Oh, and almost definitely say goodbye to an independent rear suspension without massive work.

I mentioned one in the post before. That is how they did it on the Focus, although they did remark that it was fairly large for an exhaust tunnel.

Hey, 230WHP is aprox 300HP to the crank, which is good enough for this box.

If you want more than that from this engine, you will need to go forged with a piggyback or a standalone.

Consider that you will have a lot of wheel spin even with LSD, and that the tranny will most likely fail.

thats about $10,000 to put on this car if you want to have 500hp.

And remember....there is always a bigger fish.

You mean the RS? Because it is front wheel drive, and that is the top-end model in the UK, the models carry over to Germany as well. From what I have heard there hasn't been an AWD Focus except for the rally cars, although Cosworth was rumored to be working on one for Europe. That one is not supposed to be available until the next generation is released.

Aww, come on. If you're gonna dream, dream BIG. Lose the backseat and stick a Ferrari V12 back there...Go RWD and mid-engine. Probably a lot less work than shoehorning a V8 in the front. :D

interesting on how they refer to it as an "import"...

It IS an import. It's from Hermosillo, Sonora, Mexico. :p

There is a company that makes a kit to install a Ford small-block into a Focus. I think they won an award at SEMA for engineering. Seems like SCC mag had picture of one on their last page a while ago. Sucker looked stock. I am not sure about cost, but I don't think it was over 10 grand to complete it with used engine, tranny, and rear end.

IMO a swap more complex than a KL-ZE is not worth it in the slightest...

Once again, the SCCA mp5 driven by roger foo is dyno'd at 225whp N/A , yes Normally Aspirated. They are still planning further modifications before forced induction. Of course like mentioned above you have to set the engine up not to explode when pushing that much power.

P5sun...I understand that the FS in Roger Foo's P5 is a great attempt at displaying what the engine is capable of...But IMO it does the opposite...One SCCA FS engine similar to one in Roger Foo's car is something like $17,000...The entire powerplant is so far beyond stock it does little display what the engine can do in more or less stock trim, which is little...The SCCA engines will not perform well for street driving, or even on street gas for that matter...FS are not a good starting point for NA, and a number of people have claimed that the most streetable power an NA FS will make "streetable" is about 180whp, with a lot of work...No one has pushed the limits of a forged internal, highly boosted, stand alone ECU FS, so we can't make assumptions on that, but even then the cost would be so high it would not be worth it. Some fire truck came on here and claimed 445hp out of an FS, but his fuel math was as flawed as some of our representative's economic reform plans...in other words he was not making 445hp, and he no longer comes around the board.

Every FS owner needs to face it, the cost to make considerably more power than 210whp is ridiculous...at least to me...but just because an SCCA racing engine makes 225whp NA with a pot of cash and essentially only our block and possibly crank dimensions does not mean that the envolope can be pushed a lot further...

Also Roger Foo no loner drives that car last I heard, he now drives a sedan...And I didn't think Forced Induction was allowed in the class he races in...

actually they were lookin at forced induction as announced by a folllow up article to that one. But as was said above that is not in SCCA reg's and therefor would be an application for another race division.

I am not sure about him using a sedan now, as I havent heard that as of late.

Most of the modifications they made had to do with the suspension as they were starting with a new platform and the heads. 120 hours of work is why the engine cost so much not so much for the actuall hardware besides the boring and the intake manifold which is what they pull alot of hp from according to the designers.

They bored the heads to 2.2 I think which is also why it was able to make that much extra power N/A. Changing the bore and stroke is what it is all about and for how much people are dropping on exhaust systems and flywheels and the such they may be better off to save a little longer and get a good bore or port and polish done. Hell the only difference between the celica GT and the celica GT-S engines to make it go from 140 to 180 is the bore and stroke. Thats 40hp alone. Of course they also use VVT-L so it is different across the power band.

And in no way was I saying that this was a street application but honestly if those are the power numbers you are looking for in the first place you are not looking for a street application, lets not let people kid themselves. To sink that much money in a car such as the pro's you better be assuming some form of organized racing or I really dont see the purpose.

Personally I will be perfectly happy getting as close to 200hp as I can over the next year or so(financial restrictions force me to space out buying items)

I am hoping that with my intake, exhaust, pulley, cams, intake manifold, throttle body, headers and eventual 9lb flywheel and other more accesable items that I can gain at least 35-45hp. I mean it has been recognized that someone got 20 pr 22 hp gain from headers, muffler and one other item right? I thought I saw that in another post. ?

What exactly are you planning to do with your car? Do you want a drag machine? Or do you want an all around performer? In my opion a good quality turbo kit will put you at about 220-230 whp no problem, this is a number I would be very happy with. Now if you want more why don't you just build up another motor, either the US or Japanese version? If you get forged pistons (lower compression), maybe rods, do some head work, fuel supply, bigger turbo. Getting into the 300 whp range is realistic with lower compression forged pistons. The problem I see is with the tranny holding up. Double syncros 1st-3rd gears maybe? I personally think doing a completely different motor is something you should consider in an older car, maybe even getting an older car based on what engine you want to use.

Pardon my response as I didn't read everybody elses, just the original one(so if something is restated, sorry).

Pretty much forget about all four of those motors. The rotary WILL NOT fit at all. I mean, it would technically fit, but they dont work well in a FWD config. Engine swaps is our specialty, and honestly, for the protege, going with a v6 from the MX6 or probe and SC is more likely to happen than any one of those motors.

Also, I noticed you said the turbo kit was the same as the price of the engine. However, when doing a swap like you suggested, you would need a standalone EMS to control it, custom tranny mounts, engine mounts, etc...it would cost a lot more then just buying a turbo kit...

Last I remember the problem with the G15M-R is the case and shift forks...better syncro's (if their is anyone that could really do it) will possibly solve the fork bending problem by possibly helping with a smoother gear engagement, but that will just fix mistakes made by shifting poorly or too fast...It probably will not allow any stronger of an engine bolted to it...

I have a 2000 mazda protege, 1.6L and i am wanting to do a BPT swap. i have been reading alot of post on this site, but i still feel my questions are left unanswered. how difficult is the swap? Is it just bolt in or are mods needed to make it fit? what type of tranny am i needing to purches to bolt on to the engine? will i need new axles if so what type or can i use my current ones? ECU and wiring harness, is it really that difficult? if any one can help or point me in the right direction i will be eternaly gratefull. thank you so much.

No no no no no.
Turbo the bastard, dammit.
That's all I'm gonna say.

way to revive a dead thread....BPT swap would be WAY costly...ZM-DE's will hold plenty of boost...just turbo it