Engine Hesitates and Jerks
 

I have a stock 99 Protege ES with the 1.8L engine. Lately it's been hesitating and jerking intermittently. I've had the fuel system cleaned but that did not solve the problem. The problem seems to be quite random as to when it happens. The shop I took it to said the computer threw a code indicating an air flow problem (EGR valve I think they said) but they didn't feel this was the problem. Has anyone else experienced this problem? I see from the alldata.com site that there is a TSB 0500499 dated May 99 that indicates "Engine - Intermittently Hesitates or Jerks" but I can't view the details of the TSB. I've also had the ignition coils replaced under the recent recall notice.

Any tips or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

I doubt this is your problem but here is the TSB.....

VEHICLE INTERMITTENTLY HESITATES OR JERKS

APPLICABLE MODEL(S)/VINS
All 1999 Protege with manual transmissions (M/T).

DESCRIPTION


The vehicle may intermittently hesitate or jerk when accelerating or just before shifting. This may be caused by the customer resting their foot on the clutch pedal and unknowingly or prematurely depressing it enough to close the clutch switch. This action sends a ground signal to the PCM which causes a fuel cut and timing retard condition.

My car also gave a EGR Flow code once which I think is due to the Intake Manifold being very dirty and clogging one of the EGR prots with carbon. I still have yet to have cleaned out. You may want to check your throttle body and intake manifold a with a flash light and see if it has a carbon bulid up.

Hope this helps.

You're right, this isn't it. I don't ride the clutch and the hesitation and jerkiness happens at idle and while cruising. Also I just spent $150 to get the fuel system cleaned out. However, I'll check the intake manifold and throttle body as you suggested.

Maybe there is a problem with my clutch switch or PCM. Something else to check.

Thanks for the info.

Is your check engine light on? I was wondering if they found that EGR code without it being on? My light was on when the dealership found the code PO402 on mine, and they said nothing was wrong. But I guess the light just gave up and decided to turn off and has been off for several months now. I am hearing spark knock now and I notice idle drops sometimes right after start-up, but the car runs great out on the road.

Yes, the CEL is on. The shop that worked on my car reset it twice already but it keeps coming back on with the same code. I found another thread that mentioned a problem with the O2 sensor. Maybe I'll give that a try.

Do you have a cold air intake cause mine started doing that too. If so I think its because our ecu are sensitive. I've been told an air/fuel controller can fool the ecu to working properly. I haven't tried it yet saving up money to do that.

My Protege is strictly stock at this time. It's got whatever it had coming out of the factory.

TheMan,

The code the computer is throwing is P0401 "Exhaust Gas Recirculation Flow Insufficient Detected" but I'll check out the EGR valve and the vacuum lines. Where would I find the EGR valve and what's a good way to test it? Thanks for the help.

Hey,
I have had the same problem with my car. I also have a 99 pro es, stick. It also does it randomly we can say maybe once every 3 weeks and it lasts for about 4 days and it dissappears by itself. I have ngk wires, air filter but I don't think that this would cause this. How many miles do you have in your car.

I have just over 70k on my car. I recently installed new wires, plugs and air filter myself. Does your CEL come on? If so, do you know what code the computer is throwing?

Did you have your coil packs changed under the recall yet?

Yep. I was hoping that was the problem but it wasn't. The dealership didn't even comment on the car running rough. Of course I've never received very good service from my local dealer.

I have 22k on mine and the dealership told me that nothing was wrong i just need to put my stock air box back in. . I said my car is hesitating on accerating from a stop and jerks sometimes. Sometimes makes a popping noise when going from a stop. The code came up as po172 (adaptice fuel control) pcm unable to control fuel and emissions with aftermarket accessories. Which is my Injen cold air intake.

Well I also have about 78000 miles and it started since I got to 70,000. I went to the Mazda dealership and I told the guy that my car jerked when I was going around 45milesper hour and I was in 4th gear and he just told me to switch to 5th but I has kept doing the same thing. It also jerks sometime when I trie to accelerate like if I'm going 15miles per hour in 3rd and I decide to floor it it jerks, it really bothers me. Have you changed your timming belt, I haven't and I know that I have to do it soon, maybe that could be a problem. I'm going to get another opinion from another mechanic this week and I will keep you posted. Post any info you receive. Thanks

Thanks for the info. It sounds like we have pretty much the same problem. I haven't changed my timing belt yet but if that was it I'd think the engine would be running rough all the time. That's the weird part. If it was something that was broken you'd think the car would be acting up all the time. Maybe there is a vacuum leak somewhere as TheMan suggested. I would appreciate hearing what your second opinion has to say.

now shadow i want you to be honest with me ....did you gap your spark plugs properly.....cause this exact problem happen to mine....what u need to do is gap them to specifications and use ngk plugs.....pm if me if u want for more info...but seriously thats what could be the problem cause thats what was causing my car to do the same thing

I am using NGK plugs and I'm pretty sure the gap is right. Not wanting to rule anything out though, I'll check that too. Thanks.

I checked the plugs and they are all gapped at .044. They looked pretty clean too. Is there anything else you can think to check?

what type of gas do you use.....(what company).....and what type of intake do you have?

I usually put in regular from Speedway. The intake is OEM, no mods yet.

some gas stations use more water in there gas than others....like domo here in canada....i say use esso gas......don't know what there called down there but fill up with them and see if that helps.......sometimes its the gas u use that can cause this too.....just try using different gas than usual.....cheap gas is the worst for ur car......

I also use ngk wires and plugs. What the funny thing is, is that when I'm at the light and someone wants to race and I decide to floor it all the way into third there is no jerk motion or hestitation. I use speedway gas, hess, and sometimes 7eleven gas but that I dont think makes a difference. But I was thinking do you ever add any octane booster into your car?

I've never used ocatane booster. Maybe it's the Speedway gas we use :) I'll try throwing in some dry gas. Maybe I'm plagued by water as OCTANE suggests. I usually don't have any problems accelerating either. It's just at idle or when I'm at a constant speed.

Well I guess there is really nothing else I can think about. I just really dont think that the gas is the problem. I just have to figure out what is going on because this jerking and hesitating motion bothers me a lot, it just doesn't feel good.

Like TheMan said. Check your EGR valve. They can suffer from carbon buildup (from the exhaust they are recirculating) and it can cause them to not open and close effectively. You could also have a vacuum leak. Need a vacuum pump to test that. If you can take it off and give it a little cleaning on the parts you can reach. See what the inside looks like. If there is a lot of carbon in there you may want to go get a new one.

I have the same problem just with autmatic, not manual
I have a 1999 protege LX 1.6 automatic

It hesitates at speeds of 30 - 40 mph.
car will get to 30 or 40 mph and then the tachometer will
raise to 4 rpm before shifting to the next gear.
it will do that from 30 to 35mph. Tachometer will be at
about 2 1/2 - 3 before hitting 30 -35mph then it will hesitate and tachometer will raise to 4. then it shifts into the next gear.
Feels very bad. Mazda dealer are very busy here in florida
try many times to get it check out. Maybe I can take it to
another place, like a mechanic.
any suggestion?:mad:

Hey mesx7828 Is this a conspiracy or what? What a coincidence three 99's and all with 70k or above and all with the same problem, I guess this is something that every 99 protege will experience. Hey if you find out what's wrong post it up, ok. I will do the same. Thanks

mazda dealer said," I need a new transmission" going to get a second opinion. Three year old car with 78k miles having a bad transmission. Alot of mazda having problems with transmission. The 626 also have the same problem. This is something that needs to be address and brought up to mazda inc. . Mazda should have to pay to get this problem fix.

Well I'm getting my timing belt changed this week and well now I have another problem. My clutch stopped working and well that I have no idea what is wrong, it will be towed to the mechanic tomorrow. After the new timing belt is put on I will post how the car feels

what do u think I should do? should i get a new trans or trade it in?

Not to sound like too much of a jerk. And I know I will catch hell for this... I would trade it in to the dealership and not say a damn thing about the transmission (obviously take it to a different dealership than the one you had it serviced at). If it is not a noticeable problem you will probably get pretty good value. Just my evil they can afford it more than you philosophy there.

I know this is a very old thread but I am having the same problem now. I also have a 99 Protege LX A/T. mesx7828, if you still read this forum, what did you end up doing to fix the problem? TIA.