btaira

I am considering getting Cusco's camber plates for autocrossing. However, does anyone know if I will get considerable toe in when I set the plates for maximum negative camber? That is, will I have to adjust the toe (outward), whenever I adjust for maximum negative camber?

Also, what is maximum negative camber with these camber plates?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Davard

Yes, you will need to adjust your toe-in when you push the strut towers inward. You will have trouble moving your car with the amount of toe-in you get from camber plates (something like 1.5").

But, you can happily drive around with 2 degrees of negative camber with no tire wear problems (as long as your toe is close to zero). My Kumho street tires show very little wear from their 3400 mile trip to Topeka and back. The car can be a little more nervous on uneven surfaces.

You should be able to get about 3 degrees of negative camber, although I heard someone say they got much more than that (not that it's needed).

The only problem with the Cusco plate is waiting for it (Corksport told me 6-8 weeks)... Also, a friend who has them on his Subaru is unimpressed by the quality of their fasteners (half of them have broken).

mazdaspeedwest

just incase...

camber plates are most effective with a coilover set-up, may not even work with reg springs.

even with just crash bolts, i find the car a little jumpy. just makes you keep both hands on the wheel

Davard

Well, other than the (coil-over) springs making noise when you turn the wheel all the way over, yeah, no problems with them. I also replaced some of the hardware, but that was so that I could use my RMM strut bar.

btaira

Thank you for all the information. Extremely helpful. Given the above, I think I will just add another pair of crash bolts to the front struts. I thought I would be able to go from 1 degree (I'm guessing) negative to 3 degrees negative and back quickly. What's the sense of camber plates if it doesn't make adjusting camber easy. I thought that the plates wouldn't affect the toe setting since the struts slide in at the top, and not the bottom like crash bolts. I'll see if I can get 2 degrees negative with two pairs of bolts, and set toe to zero.

Jesse, are you absolutely adament about not setting the rear toe out even slightly? As you have already probably figured out, I still have a little more understeer than I want. Maybe the additional camber in front will help me out enough.

btaira

Jesse,

Before I forget, what happened to the pics in your signature? I only get the top half of them now.

Weren't your CMS rear bar and ST front bar relatively recent additions? And weren't you running a stock front and ST rear until then? If so, please let me know the handling difference since the switch. Hopefully you'll say you eliminated a lot of the front end roll (and resulting inside rear lift), while not gaining any more understeer.

Finally, how's the MR2? Is it a heck of a lot more fun to drive in the twisties? Have you upgraded the struts yet (necessary?)? How about the front bar (I heard that they actually oversteer a little). I know that you aren't permitted to do that much in the stock classes. Also, what the weight and horsepower on that thing?

Davard

I think he meant only the top half of the pictures are loading. Same for me.

Many people have driven my car in it's current state (Bob Endicott, Tom Berry, Steve O'Blenes...all with multiple National Championships) and all of them have commented on how easy it was to get in and drive fast. All of them thought it was great fun, and handled closer to a RWD car. It still understeers in tight corners, but that would be impossible to tune out and have any high speed stability.

My set-up is similar to Jesse's (former), with the exception of Mazdaspeed adjustable struts, coilovers (250F/200R), and GC camber plates. I run zero toe front and rear, about 2.5 degree negative front and about 0.5 neg in the rear.

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