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323 May-22nd-2003 10:12 PM

Pistons
 
8.8:1 = early proteges (through 93)
9.0:1 = 94 Proteges
9.5:1 = 94-97 Miatas
10.0:1 = 99-up Miatas

I know you can use all these pistons in the BP block, but are the rods the same length, or do they need to be used with specific ones (ie. GTX pistons must use GTX rods?)

Does anyone know what compression a '95 Escort GT BP would have?

limpgtx May-22nd-2003 10:19 PM

is there any place that can help me out with understanding these damn compression numbers?

beachnut May-22nd-2003 10:31 PM


Originally posted by Felix Wankel
Wow, I didn't know mine was only 8.8:1. I might put a turbo on it just out of boredom (I have lots of cars to drive, so I don't care if it blows up).

VJ-20 on a 220K mile engine anyone? :evilgrin:

Why not? By the time I get all my parts together, I'll probably have ~175K on the clock :eek: !

limpgtx May-22nd-2003 10:43 PM

VICS = mistake IMHO. you can easily gain 5 hp by removing it.

Felix Wankel May-22nd-2003 11:16 PM


Originally posted by beachnut


Why not? By the time I get all my parts together, I'll probably have ~175K on the clock :eek: !

I'll probably do it this winter, timing belt/water pump change is coming up at 240K.

snart May-23rd-2003 05:46 PM


Originally posted by limpgtx
VICS = mistake IMHO. you can easily gain 5 hp by removing it.
I agree with Jesse..... I dont think mazda made it that way for the sake of loosing hp.

UCSBgeek May-23rd-2003 06:31 PM


Originally posted by snart


I agree with Jesse..... I dont think mazda made it that way for the sake of loosing hp.

And if I have it right I think it'll help your gas mileage a little bit too ;)

itzkcatz May-23rd-2003 06:51 PM

Why buy a GTX motor when u can get a Bp with 40k for 350 bucks?. The Bp is my choice. Jon

beachnut May-23rd-2003 09:34 PM

Did I read somewhere around here that it might be a good idea to remove the VICS manifold and replace it with the GTX manifold when going turbo?

sirfei May-24th-2003 01:39 AM

Okay, this same question has been going over my mind a lot too.. either take a BP engine and build it up, or get a GT-X engine and put in my '90 4WD Pro, 5spd... It seems that going the way of the BP would be quite a bit cheaper, possibly, especially when I'm not looking to race my car but just be able to get off the line a lot quicker than the stock 103hp engine has. Would you all agree then? And in that case, all I need to do the swap is the BP engine, ECU, and trans?

itzkcatz May-24th-2003 10:58 AM

Well how much power do u want?. The bp motor does not come with a turbo or manifold but does have a better flowing head. It is plenty strong enough to handle 200 plus whp. But the GTX comes with the turbo and manifold but has a restrictive head. I say if u can get a Bp with 40k buy that and a vj-20 turbo and manifold ..

D323 May-25th-2003 07:26 PM

what I want:
 
I want decent power, not really for drag racing or anything.

I am just tired of the 1.6 SOHC puttering around town. I want something that can at least stomp Civic LX/DX/EX/HX's. I see people rice those out and I can only hold with them. That annoys me.

In the future I plan to go with a moddest turbo system, nothing really all that huge.

funkdaddysmack May-26th-2003 09:37 AM

One of the members here recently did a BP swap into his 323, and he's been having great luck beating civics.

If you're not looking for massive power, there is no reason to bother with the GTR BPT engine. Shit, for half the price you should be able to have a real quick NA BP turbo buildup.

limpgtx May-26th-2003 10:18 AM

hahahaha, get a gtx engine with ecu for $850 at www.blacktrax.net. cheap shit, thats what i did.

D323 May-26th-2003 02:54 PM

GTX
 
Dont you need to get a wiring harness extension since the wires come through on the other side on the GTX/R? Or is that only on the J-spec engines?

How hard was the gtx swap? For 850, thats about what I would spend fixing up the BP.

I know the NA head is less restrictive though, so it might be better to start with a NA and build it up, especially since I am in Texas, and the GTX is in california, or even further from other places.


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