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swaped bp01 for bp01, not wont start? turns but no start?

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Old June-7th-2003, 09:08 PM
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Angry swaped bp01 for bp01, now wont start? turns but no start?

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-Spark
-fuel
-fuel pressure (line from regulator to that little unit is broken, but should still have fuel regardless)
-timming is bang on
-all connections (one broken temp connection)


I am stuck and at wits end.... this car is way behind how long this should take..... and I did the whole swap in about a day..... but now its been weeks and it wont start??

any one? ideas? do you know?

the car is a 1st gen..... i got the motor out of a 94 manual... I am automatic

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Old June-8th-2003, 12:59 AM
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Simple stuff, but

Is the computer plugged in?
I'd say it, but I'm sure the fuel pump is plugged in if you have pressure, hehe.
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LOL

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Simple stuff, but

Is the computer plugged in?
I'd say it, but I'm sure the fuel pump is plugged in if you have pressure, hehe.
The computer was never touched, and the harness is the same and not chainged...

it was a same motor for same motor swap

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Well, sometimes it's the simple stuff, just wanted to make sure

If you want to check anyways, it's behind the console, under the radio, there is a piece of trim hiding it, I think you can pull up the passenger's carpet a little bit too.

When you say it turns but it won't start, maybe the starter is going but not fast enough .. ? Could the battery be low?

Sorry, that's all I can think of
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If you know you got fuel and spark. It should start. Double check to see if you are getting fuel sprayed into the cylinder as well as spark. Either one of these could be computer or a timing peg behind the flywheel.
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fuel lines backward?
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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
-check cam timing AGAIN
-make sure the wires are on the correct cylinders/distributor section
-make sure disti is in correctly (it only goes one way....but you *CAN* jam it in the other way if youre not paying attention.
cam timing was checked again..... bang on

wires where checked about 10times ..... and did every other various firing order contrary to the manual.

desti was checked as well and re installed.... it was fine


Does anyone have the fire order and how they have the plugs setup on thire car>?>? maby the haynes manual is fkd?

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Originally posted by Gro Harlem
could you be a little more specific? Did the engine crank or won't it do anything?

Also..did you swap all your automatic sensors with the manual trans. sensors? That will make all the difference right there.
The Motor sounds like it should start..... it turns over strong....and it just doesnt seem to start...but BOY OH BOY it sounds like it wants to.... soo frusterating..

I did not chainge the tranny.... its still an automatic .....


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Originally posted by Felix Wankel
fuel lines backward?

That was the first thing I checked.....

the fuel system is fine....

after we try to start the motor...if you take out a plug..... it has gas on it..... we have fuel....


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If you have gas on the plugs, are they fouled? May want to put some new ones in it or something. I also knocked the coil wire off on accident before.
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Originally posted by Felix Wankel
If you have gas on the plugs, are they fouled? May want to put some new ones in it or something. I also knocked the coil wire off on accident before.

the coil wire is just fine.....


and the plugs are just fine .......



What I need is a good pic of some ones bp01 that shows where they have the wires go in what order....

I am almost sure that that Haynes manual is crap and have the wrong order listed...

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you havent said if you checked compression or not .....fuel..spark..compression..you need all 3
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Originally posted by mazdamaster
you havent said if you checked compression or not .....fuel..spark..compression..you need all 3

I checked that as well .......and she is nice and solid accross....


any who....... the new update is...... we got her runnin now!!!

Wwoooooo WWWWoooooo

also side note.... dont listen to that haynes manual's fire order

bastards

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That was it? Oh no. I suggest, that if you ever want to get intimate and dirty too much, you search for a factory service manual by MAZDA on ebay -- I got mine for $35ish, I was very lucky to find it right as it was listed
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Unhappy no kidden eh!

Just imgaine.... my friend and I did an entire swap and automatic swap from one motor to another..... and got it all back together and in...... with a HAYNES manual...... it was quite the **** off reading that crap they write..... and half the time just figuring it out on our own..... not to mention this was in his home garage..

Also...... did you know that a BP01 from an Automatic, and a BP01 from a manual have different oil pans?? ...... we found that out half way though..... bastards... lol




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