This Group Buy is for New E-spec LHD Glass Headlight Assembly for 1st Generation Proteges.

The quality of the North American Protege headlights have always been an issue. Now that plastic lamps lens have hazed and faded, the problem can become a safety issue.
E-Spec lighting uses the better designed H4 bulbs combined with a sharp light cut off to keep the light pointed to where you need to see, on the road. North American Protege's use DOT standard lamps. DOT spec lights point power into the sky in order to light signage overhead . This results in the loss of the lights intensity and cast. This is what gives that "tunnel" effect in snow and heavy rain conditions. The poor design of our stock 9004 bulbs doesn't help either. Properly aimed, E-spec headlights should not bother oncoming traffic using higher wattage bulbs.

The kit comes complete with all you will need to convert your DOT system over to E-spec. Both 90-92 "Square" and 93-94 323 "slant" styles are available. Note, these are the proper Left Hand Drive versions of the E-spec lamps, unlike JDM Right Hand Drive version that will aim the lights the wrong way, attracting blue and red lights.;)
The optional High Output kit let you run bulbs up to 100/130 watts!
New JDM Clear Corners are also available.

The basic kit includes:
- New Glass Lens Headlamps (please specify "square/slant")
- New Orange Corner Lenses (required - to fit the assembly)
- Corner Harnesses
- 9004 -> H4 Adapters
- H4 Bulbs
- Corner Bulbs
- Shipping in North America

High Output kit includes:
- relay kit
- upgraded Headlight bulbs


Pricing:

Basic E-spec headlight Kit - $395US (9+ orders $350US)

High Output kit - $45US

JDM Clear Corners - $155

*Note: These are E-spec lamps, not DOT approved, you should be aware that in some States these are illegal. In Canada and in the North Western States, I have read that they are legal. Check your local state laws if you have a concern. Using anything over 80 watts is considered "off road use only" ;)
*minmum 6 orders required.

Excellent! Glad you could make this happen Rick, thanks!

I'm in for the whole package :D

Lights
100/130 relay
Clear corners

Question: do I also get the amber corners as well?

The ambers are part of the base kit, so you have the option to change. The 100/130 relay vs standard H4 kit is not interchangable, you have to specify this when you are ordering.

Am I allowed to know where you are getting these? :)

edit: Oh yeah are they new or used...?

Oh yeah it says new. Hehe. I wonder how much they are used :D

They are coming from Taiwan. From a distributor for Mazda parts.

If you want to send a PM you should be able to now. :)

Rick, you'll see this in my PM but I'll put it here too:

I need the slanted headlights, and I definitely want the 100/130 relays. I wanna burn some retinas ;) !

If you get the 100/130 relay, does it come with 100/130 bulbs?

I will confirm, but I would say yes.

bum bum bum!!

i spent ~$350 for brand new PLASTIC headlights/turn signal lenses a year ago! :( why didn't i know you'd do this then??! ;)

oh well, the plastic ones i bought haven't faded so far....

Pics? I'd like to see some clean lenses for once! hehehe....

Will I need to do any mods if I go for the higher wattage bulbs? The new harness that is being sent will not melt with the higher wattage bulbs?

Theses would be the 'slant' style, for my 323 by the way :D

Originally posted by funkdaddysmack
Pics? I'd like to see some clean lenses for once! hehehe....

Will I need to do any mods if I go for the higher wattage bulbs? The new harness that is being sent will not melt with the higher wattage bulbs?

Theses would be the 'slant' style, for my 323 by the way :D


The relays that come with the 100/130 kit insure that your wiring harness is safe. the proper corner harness is included in the kit.

Here's some pics:
]http://home.hetnet.nl/~pzj70/april_3.JPG
http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_b/263000-263999/263925_86_full.jpg
http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_b/263000-263999/263925_88_full.jpg
http://www.b6b8.org/kbreview/02_june03/fird01.jpg
http://home.hetnet.nl/~pzj70/april_2.JPG

Are they legal? How about with the higher wattage bulbs? Are replacements bulbs hard to find?

very nice!

bad timing, but hopefully i should be a go as well.

square
(i'm still trying to decide if i want the upgraded relay kit for the 100/130w bulbs)

BTW, i would think bulb's are pretty easy to find :) They are standard H4's.

Originally posted by happydog2
Are they legal? How about with the higher wattage bulbs? Are replacements bulbs hard to find?

In Washington State and Oregon, I have read that they are legal. This was on Daniel Stern's Automotive lighting FAQ. Running the higher wattage bulbs past 80watts is considered "off road use only"

The higher wattage bulbs are available from NAPA and Performance Limited. So they aren't that hard to find.

I'm in for the kit and the 100/130 relay kit. The slant 323 style of course! Sign me up! :D

Just thought I'd mention that I have edited the original Group Buy offer to clarify what is included in the packages.;)

DAMN IT! I HATE BEING POOR!:mad:

any chance of these still being for sale around Aug? i know its a ways off but right now school is sucking away my life and money.

in any case, great find dude, i really hope people pull for this, it would be sweet. if anything changes with me in the next few weeks i will let you know, but for no i am a no.

does this conversion basically just bolt on, no difficult wiring, splicing involved? does it include the mounting bracket to mount the headlight housing to the car? i'd be interested in this as well, provided that it's not until at LEAST late august when the sale goes down and as long as it can answer yes to the two questions above. wil asked us for 80 bucks for clear corners 2 weeks before the sale went down... 400+ bucks is a bit hard on my budget, but i would be more than willing to do this if the sale goes down late august. and isn't this basically a method for HID conversion if you get the high output kit? sounds very promising and would definately be a step up from what i've got.
peace

those headlights sound sweet! :D But their just a little above my buget...

Count me in for some square ones. Do u have pics of the jdm clear courners? .I should have money this month ..Jon

Originally posted by demoninvictus
does this conversion basically just bolt on, no difficult wiring, splicing involved? does it include the mounting bracket to mount the headlight housing to the car?
These lamps are for BG series cars. They will fit in the standard location and use the same bolts as you currenly use. They are OEM, just not North American OEM. Take a look at the first picture that I posted. There is a slight difference in the headlight/corner lamp dimensions compared to your car.
There will be minimal wire splicing in the installation.
Originally posted by demoninvictus
isn't this basically a method for HID conversion if you get the high output kit? sounds very promising and would definately be a step up from what i've got.
peace

These are not High Intensity Discharge (HID) bulbs they are still Halogen (filiment).
The advantage is, you move from using crappy 9004 bulbs, which in low beam, can only produces 700 LUMENS to the better designed H4s. This of course is based on "clean plastic lenses" The stock H4 bulb produces 1000 LUMENS in low beam and 1650 LUMENS in high. Due to the "glass" lens in this kit, you can expect it to stay that way. The stock 9004 can only produces 1200 LUMENS in Highbeam .

The High Output kit simply gives you the level of saftey required to allow you to run the H4Overwatt bulbs in your e-spec headlamps.
The H4Overwatt bulb can produce up to 1820 LUMENS in lowbeam and 3550:eek: in Highbeam.


HID requires a ballast to create an arc and with just 35watts can produce 2800 LUMENS.:eek:

ok ok, i can figure out the wiring and shit for this eventually. now what do you mean by the dimensions are slightly different? the headlight housing does look slightly smaller in that first pic (i think it's just me), however, it's hard to tell with the 'eyebrows' he has on that car. i'm still interested..
peace

Hey Rick, your mailbox is full so I'll post my questions here. Slightly off the topic, but what are the chances of getting some of those eyebrows? Also, do you have a full frontal pic of the black 323, particularly the front bumper? I think it's the bumper I'm looking for ....

Here is the link to the full front of the GTX in the Netherlands. http://home.hetnet.nl/~pzj70/april_1.htm
Here is a link to her site:Monica's 323GTX (http://fullspeed.to/323gtx)

Notice that the corners wrap around past the hood line. With the portion of the lamp past the hood line "clear".

I will see about the the eyebrows, but I am afraid he does not have any GTX bumpers.

Rick

P.S. I cleared my PM box, is ther any way to to tell how full it is?

Here is a picture of what the JDM Clear Corners look like.
http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_b/263000-263999/263925_90_full.jpg
If you wanted to go totally clear, it is fairly easy to seperate the lamp and clear the amber.

Originally posted by rkives
Here is a picture of what the JDM Clear Corners look like.
http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_b/263000-263999/263925_90_full.jpg
If you wanted to go totally clear, it is fairly easy to seperate the lamp and clear the amber.

They look real nice, but not $155 nice :D

whre have i heard that statement before... couldn't have been you funk... or maybe it was :p i will admit, i am willing to go in for the e-spec conversion, not till late august unfortunately, but simply put, 400 is rich enough for my blood, plus, i know i can find somebody out there that i can get $70 bucks from to buy my existing clears, but another $155 ontop of the 400... heaven forbid i'm in a minor fender bender, where will i get the money to replace the corners, let alone the 400 dollar headlights. i'm in for the lights, just not for the clear corners.
peace

Whats the status on this buy?..Jon

it nearly brings tears to my eyes to see people actually wanting to get true lighting upgrades instead of that ghetto blue light bulb and hid upgrade crap

too bad none of the 2nd and 3rd gen people have pulled their heads out of their asses to get that shit yet...

Originally posted by itzkcatz
Whats the status on this buy?..Jon

We are at 9 possibly 10, so the lower price of $350 for the base kit is in effect. :D

I am currently waiting for date info from the supplier.

Originally posted by rkives


We are at 9 possibly 10, so the lower price of $350 for the base kit is in effect. :D

I am currently waiting for date info from the supplier.

Shaweeeeeet!!!! :) Just got your PM, I'm a bit slow checking those. :D

sounds good i will send my money out next friday. just give me the details ..Jon

cool, can't wait, must have....!

If this is still goin on, im in for the 100/130 bulbs.... lovely....

I'm gonna try and get my brother to get these for my birthday...is it still available for a little bit? :)

I would like some also. How soon will they be in? Mine are yellow almost beyond the ability to whiten. Oh, this is for the square ones for a '90 Protege.

I was looking for this, but between getting married and the honeymoon, I was away for awhile (there were 1400 new messages when I got back).

So, how much for just the relay kit (with the standard bulbs)?

Davard - Congratz on getting married!;) I have to ask about the relay with stock lights cost wise.

Protoss/Chastan, The lights will be in near the end of August, so the final orders have to be placed by middle of August. I hope you'll be able to get in on them!

Provided my Protege search goes well this weekend, you can count me in for these lights. I'm a visibility nut, it's the first thing I do to every car I have :D

I just heard back from the supplier, the Group Buy has to close at the end of this month. He has to place the order on Friday Aug 1st, So final numbers are now required.

Sorry for the short notice.

If my PM is full please send email to rkvair66@hotmail.com.

Rick

Well im in for a set of square ones with the upgraded light if i can get it for 400 . Whens the money due?. Thanx ..Jon

Originally posted by rkives
I just heard back from the supplier, the Group Buy has to close at the end of this month. He has to place the order on Friday Aug 1st, So final numbers are now required.

Sorry for the short notice.

If my PM is full please send email to rkvair66@hotmail.com.

Rick

So, what's happening with this? Been over a week. I'll be going on vacation from the 15th to the 22nd, and won't be at the computer except in the middle. And then moving after Labor Day.

Ya, what's going on with these? This money is burning a hole in my pocket :(

The supplier has informed me, at the moment there is an "issue" that requires the pause of this Group Buy.:(
He has informed me, there is a legal suite against the "APC Company" for selling non SAE/D.O.T. lamps to certain areas of the United States. The Taiwanese distributor is nervous.. They are not selling "Asian Market" product to North American vendors till the lawyers handle the legalese. They are assessing their liabilities to ensure they cover their butt.
The supplier has sent in the "legal paperwork" and there is a review pending.

He has cancelled his flight pending their decision....

Sorry, I will keep you posted...


Rick

Thanks for the update, even though it's not really good news. By the time those 'legal issues' are solved with APC, it's probably going to be like a year. Seriously, the legal system moves very slowly. Oh well, more money to put towards other things... I'll just need like a month's advanced notice for the money then :)

Crap .... time to get some Blue Coral cleaner then :(

I just heard back from the supplier. The Taiwanese distributor has agreed to sell him the lights!:D There are some minor delivery details that are being hammered out to ensure they are not slapped with a 650K fine like APC was.
He is currently looking at booking a flight to Taiwan in the next few weeks! I will keep you posted!

Good News....now i need to save that money again...:)

The anticipated delivery date of the lamps will be late October early November.

Unfortunately, the recent increased cost of travel and shipping, have to be reflected in the pricing of the product. The price of the E-spec kit is now - $470US (9+ orders $425US)
The High Output relay kit is still $45US.

Please re sign up if you are still interested.

Well, I must say that certainly blows. It's quite a ways from $350 to $470. It goes from pushing the budget to blowing it wide open. I mean, that's a pair of Azenis difference. I'll have to think about that.

That is a big change, when do you need the money by?

As long as more than 6 people are still in, the price difference is $75 from $350 to $425. I am just trying to get a new head count.

The payment will be need by mid-october


Rick

My HID's in the Focus cost almost this much, these are just e-codes. :(

I can't afford to spend this much on a second car, as much as I want to. I realize the situation is beyond your control. I see you're mentioning someone flying to pick them up. Can't they just be shipped instead?

You realize these E-spec lights do not meet SAE or DOT certifications, right? You've heard about the fine that APC received for selling J-spec, E-spec and other non-certified lights, right? 650,000.

Manufacturers now won't ship non-compliant lighting.
Wholesalers from overseas now won't ship non-compliant lighting.
Someone wanted these lights, and it seems that this guy's going out of his way to get them for you, at risk to himself for getting non-compliant lighting onto these shores. He's obviously got the way-of-the-week figured out if he can offer you these lights. Going overseas and bringing them back is probably the safest way with the least amount of time the customs people can spend with your stuff.

Customs people are opening envelopes looking for non-approved pharmaceuticals. What's not to stop them from looking in a box?
There's risk involved... getting them through customs.

Cheers to the fellow for going the extra mile to get these lights for his fellow enthusiasts.

This Sale took to long and i spent my cash sorry im out. maybe next spring

This Group Buy is officially a go! :beer:
For any additional orders: Money must be delivered to the supplier by November 10th.

International Postal Money Order "MUST BE INTERNATIONAL" 400USD to:

George Davies
PO Box 98022
2150 Burnhamthorpe Road West
Mississauga, ON L5L 5V4
Canada

or
Paypal to george.davies@chaiofangimports.com 400USD + 15USD for paypal charges.

Estimated time of delivery is Dec 15th! A great Xmas present!

As far as the MX-3 lamps, he didn't mention anything in his last letter. I asked him again.

Is this over or not ?

Are there any more people looking for lights ? and other JDM parts ?

I'm still trying to make this work.

I have 6 88/89 323 sets, 6 90-92 (square) BG sets, and 6 93-94 (slant) BG sets.

They sit waiting to get shipped.

3 people have paid, and sadly it's a TON to get them shipped here. I need to have payment for 14 to cover my costs to get just the lights here, then it's building harnesses, changing connectors on the corners and populating them with bulbs.

I can get MX3 Euro lights for 300USD a set shipped.

Your money is held in trust until we make this work. I've issued two refunds for those who couldnt wait.

Should I return all the lights, I'm stuck paying 20 percent restocking charge, and 40 bux a month for storage of the lights in a warehouse - so over a grand.

Shiiit ....

What do you have to rewire and what kind of bulbs do you use ?
How much for the 9004 -> H4 converter ?
How much for the High Output kit ?
Where do you get 100/135W bulbs ? ( Are they just H4s ) ?


Thanks

Different connectors for lights required.
Different connectors for corners required.
Adapter harness for lights required.
Bulbs.

Relay kits if required dont go from the North American to Euro/Japanese lights - THEY must be rewired.

HO Relay kit is 45 if ordered with lights - comes with 80-100 or 100-130 bulbs depending on availablitiy.

ok in my confusion... i got kinda lost about the subject.

the regular light kit comes with the h-4 conversion...standard bulb...

the high output relay kit however... is this a permanent step?
if the high output kit is inplay can you still use regular h4 bulbs?

what is the difference between the high output relay kit and a
CATZ zeta kit for h4??

Relay kits allow the use of higher wattage bulbs.
You can use lower wattage bulbs with the relay kits with no adverse effects - say you just have a 55W in the trunk and your headlight goes, that will get you to Canadian Tire or Pep Boys.

Difference between HID and 100W H4?
1. HID kits are illegal when retrofitted in non HID lights.
2. HID kits work better in projector lights, not reflector lights like these are.
3. Whiter light is better for vision than purplish light, so choose your HID kits wisely.
4. I've not had experience putting HID in a 323.

well you must be confused... CATZ zeta kits aren't HID.... you can't buy HID kits on the regular market anymore anyway...(they aren't my style to begin with.

the Zeta system is an amplifying relay system that somehow amps up teh bulbs making them brighter.( i think there is also a change of bulbs using this kit)

I saw CATZ and thought HID.

I have no knowledge of any CATZ products or how they would work with the improved reflectors of European BF323 or BG323 headlamps.

Basically, by the time current makes it to the stock headlights, you are down to 11.5-12 volts, and the headlights will be brighter if you use relays to supply full alternator voltage (13.8-14.4).